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Thread ID: 104930	2009-11-13 02:16:00	The stupidity that is the NZ give way rule, as seen from the eyes of an Aussie	wratterus (105)	PC World Chat

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829707	2009-11-13 09:29:00	Ah. But still isn't that more dangerous for them? Well, I wouldn't do it, I cross the road 70 feet before the intersection, ride on the foot path, once clear I hit the road again.	Metla (12)
829708	2009-11-13 09:46:00	gee that hook turn look like a nitemare. you park across the traffic, wait till the other lane is empty (yeah right !) or hits the next red, then you can go. so basically you could only get a few cars turning at a time. the only time that would be good is for truck drivers trying to get around narrow streets. there was some streets in auckland where trucks had to take the left lane and turn right and cut across the other lane, otherwise they couldn't make the turn and drove over the curb and into lights etc.	tweak'e (69)
829709	2009-12-08 00:33:00	That Australian is from Tasmania, not Victoria, where we had the rule until 1993. In fact, I wonder about that rule, it's a nice rule. I know that New Zealand has had it since 1977, and Victoria already had it by then, I wonder when Victoria introduced this rule. It is a great rule as long as all are polite and cooperative, but is ambiguous and dangerous if drivers are too selfish and uncooperative. When Victoria had it, it was hoped that other Australian states would follow, but they didn't, probably because their drivers were too selfish for it. I would like to know from someone from a another left side driving country, such as the UK or Ireland, if they have driven in New Zealand since 1977 or in Victoria prior to 1993, whether they envied either of us for having this rules, knowing the benefits it brings. Just as most left side driving countries have the right turners give way to oncoming traffic rule, it is also the case in right side driving countries the left turners yield oncoming traffic. But in Pennsylvania, USA, there is a driving custom which, despite having no basis in the law, is somewhat reminiscent of New Zealand's rule. It is colloquially known as the Pittsburgh left. It involves two cars facing each other, one the the first left turning car and the other is either going straight or turning right. Normally, whoever is going straight or turning right would take advantage of the priority they have and thus the left turner would need to give way, but in Pittsburgh, it is customary to stop and give them permission to complete their turn, by gesturing in the direction of the turn, or even flashing their headlights. Since they gave permission and don't enter the intersection until the oncoming left turn is complete, the left turner does not need to yield. The reason for this custom is that a brief and patient wait for someone turning right or going straight can eliminate a longer impatient delay for the left turner and those blocked behind it.	Myrtone (15420)
829710	2009-12-13 00:00:00	Well it works, but the 'new' one that got me was that you must indicate left if you are travelling straight ahead at a roundabout...I know that this is supposed to be done after you enter the roundabout but the car you are indicating to that is waiting to enter the roundabout can't see your left indicator anyway...weird?	toonttm (14853)
829711	2009-12-13 00:12:00	Isn't it the same as in the UK where you signal left after the exit before the one you take. The precedure in the UK is like this, if you go straight, signal left after the exit before the one you take. If turning right, you signal right until the exit before the one you take, then signal left. You also find this rule on mainland Europe (which drives on the right), where you also signal right after the exit before the one you take.	Myrtone (15420)
829712	2009-12-13 00:19:00	You forgot the picture where they all pull out in front of the motorcycle.	Sam I Am (1679)
829713	2009-12-13 00:40:00	Either there is a rule that gives priority or not. The courteous driver can be over courteous and give way and therefore hold up other traffic. The driver of a vehicle coming up behind me can't see I have flashed my headlights or by gestures have given the driver of the left turning vehicle "permission" to turn. A vehicle who is passing the one turning left I have to give way to as it is going straight through and it may be in a hurry. It's not the rule that is stupid. It's the idiot rule makers, the application and the the idiot drivers who don't know or don't care about the rules. BTW I don't actually care about what happens in other countries or how they drive unless I have to drive there. In Australia and elsewhere there are different rules in different states. In NZ the same road rules apply everywhere you are.	Sweep (90)
829714	2010-03-03 01:12:00	Well, miracles maybe do happen... www.stuff.co.nz	wratterus (105)
829715	2010-03-03 01:29:00	This is the current Road Code advice for right turning traffic "If there are other vehicles moving fast or following too closely, or if the road is narrow, it may be best to wait on the left-hand side of the road to make the turn, rather than stopping in the middle of the road and holding up traffic." It used to be mandatory. Wait for collisions between right and left turning traffic to be replaced by tail ended cars sitting in the middle of the road. In the T intersection case, the "main" road isn't always straight through, it would be better to use Give Way signs.	PaulD (232)
829716	2010-03-03 01:47:00	I've been thinking (how unusual, Mrs T would say) and I don't think that the current daft give-way rules have been in force since 1977 at all, I'm pretty sure that they are much more recent than that . In fact, I doubt that they are any older than the mid to late 1990's though there may have been minor changes earlier than that . The main reason I think this is because I've been in my current house since the mid 1980s and I have to make a left turn off a main road to get into my local streets . I recall vividly my frustration following the introduction of the new give way to right turning traffic rule as my turn was at the bottom of a dip and I could see traffic barrelling down in both directions that would make it unsafe to turn but some idiots thought that the new rule would part the waters and let them waft through without getting hit . Some made it, some didn't . Similarly, turning right on exit from the side road became very hazardous as traffic coming from my left would roar down at speed and turn right across in front of me instead of giving way to let me turn out . This was not helped by clots that gave way when they wanted to turn left when it was patently impossible for the car turning right into the side street to go because they could (usually) see that there was a stream of traffic pouring down the other way that would wipe them out if they tried . Sooner changed the better, and I'd be interested to know if anybody can accurately date the change . Back in the 70's, I think Oz had a strange rule in some States that required traffic on a main road to give way to vehicles turning left out of side streets . I remember standing at the top of a long downhill road and watching the stop-start flow as the side traffic entered at will . That was worse than our current give way rules . Typical Aussie one-upmanship . . . . . . Cheers Billy 8-{) :confused:	Billy T (70)
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