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Thread ID: 105076 2009-11-18 04:20:00 Are these people stupid kenj (9738) PC World Chat
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831244 2009-11-18 06:18:00 Un . .
. . . Personally I think the employer should be able to hire and fire who they like and when they like but that is not the issue here .
If that were the case universally, there would be a lot of spare offices in the Beehive . ;)
R2x1 (4628)
831245 2009-11-18 06:31:00 If that were the case universally, there would be a lot of spare offices in the Beehive. ;)
Good job it would be too!:banana
KarameaDave (15222)
831246 2009-11-19 01:23:00 Unfortunately the ERA are bound by the rules as they stand .
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Equally unfortunately, the employee was bound to the tree as it fell
R2x1 (4628)
831247 2009-11-19 02:34:00 Going to work stoned and failing a drug test are two different things, THC stays in your system for up too 6 weeks. So saying the worker was under the influence of drugs during the accident would be very hard too prove.

They can see if it was recent/heavy use due to the levels in the persons system. Only stoners think they aren't stoned after the initial buzz is worn off.
Metla (12)
831248 2009-11-19 02:36:00 Pity there is not a test for stupidity - which would be able to be used as a reason for his dismissal.

Where is Metla on this??? He is the expert on Health and Safety I believe!

Ken

I have had issues with knobs smoking weed at work, Tried to fire them and ended up running into this offering treatment crap.

Then lo and behold, one of my crew decided to spot some oil and then feel off a roof and ended up funked up and in Hospital.:(
Metla (12)
831249 2009-11-19 02:40:00 Going to work stoned and failing a drug test are two different things, THC stays in your system for up too 6 weeks. So saying the worker was under the influence of drugs during the accident would be very hard too prove.

Not quite.

Most testing companies will return a "not negative" result if the drugs are in the system but in low quantities. (Ie smoked a day ago)

If drugs are illegal, they should be treated as such.

I say we test everyone on the benefit once a week, if they test positive, no payment for 13 weeks - just like when someone quits their job.

If employees test positive, immediate termination.
People chose to do something illegal, and they seem to think they are victims. They aren't. They should be punished.

Same thing with drunk drives, if they crash and hurt themselves no ACC. That's the only way people will learn.

If we have drug policies in this country, let's enforce them - Oh wait no, that'll infringe on their human rights... Boo... Hoo...
Cato (6936)
831250 2009-11-19 09:16:00 [quote Re: Are these people stupid[/quote]
Well, we are the ones paying them, so where does that put us?
R2x1 (4628)
831251 2009-11-19 09:29:00 Personally I think the employer should be able to hire and fire who they like and when they like but that is not the issue here.

And you will continue to think that until some ar@#hole of a boss fires your wife/mother/sister/son/daughter/brother, or, heaven forbid, you, for no good reason other than he's having a bad day and wants to kick somebody.

THEN you'll change your mind and go baying for blood. Or perhaps an ambulance chaser who knows the rules and sees a dead-cert winner will talk big dollars and your eyes will light up.

Get real; serfs and slavery went out years ago, and all employees are entitled to some basic rights. If an employer sets rules, he has to stick by them, even when it doesn't suit him, as this one just found out.

Cheers

Billy 8-{)
Billy T (70)
831252 2009-11-19 10:02:00 I don't believe I said "for no good reason". Sweep (90)
831253 2009-11-20 03:48:00 If drugs are illegal, they should be treated as such.

If we have drug policies in this country, let's enforce them - Oh wait no, that'll infringe on their human rights... Boo... Hoo...

There's no need to keep banging on the 'illegal' drum.

The situation would be no different if the employee was drunk and chopping down a tree, or hadn't slept for 36 hours and was trying to drive a truck.
shermo (12739)
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