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Thread ID: 105280	2009-11-25 19:20:00	The Filthiest River on the Planet	pctek (84)	PC World Chat

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833612	2009-11-25 19:20:00	The Danube? The Ganges? The Potomac? No. New Zealand: www.stuff.co.nz The Manawatu tops a new pollution measurement of 300 rivers and streams across North America, Europe, Australia and New Zealand, research by the Cawthron Institute has found. The waterway is fouled with treated sewage, industrial waste and farm runoff. Under a system measuring oxygen changes in water, the Manawatu has by far the highest reading, almost twice as much as the next worst. The Manawatu measured 107. Anything over eight is considered indicative of an unhealthy river ecosystem. A measurement of 0–4 is considered healthy. Roger Young, a freshwater ecologist with the Nelson-based independent scientific institute, was amazed at the readings from water samples taken at Hopelands, north of Woodville. "To see a count of 100 was just ridiculous," he said. Checks internationally found the closest pollution reading to be 59, for a site on a river near Berlin, downstream from a sewage outfall.	pctek (84)
833613	2009-11-25 19:54:00	The Danube? The Ganges? The Potomac? No. New Zealand: www.stuff.co.nz The Manawatu tops a new pollution measurement of 300 rivers and streams across North America, Europe, Australia and New Zealand, research by the Cawthron Institute has found. The waterway is fouled with treated sewage, industrial waste and farm runoff. Under a system measuring oxygen changes in water, the Manawatu has by far the highest reading, almost twice as much as the next worst. The Manawatu measured 107. Anything over eight is considered indicative of an unhealthy river ecosystem. A measurement of 0–4 is considered healthy. Roger Young, a freshwater ecologist with the Nelson-based independent scientific institute, was amazed at the readings from water samples taken at Hopelands, north of Woodville. "To see a count of 100 was just ridiculous," he said. Checks internationally found the closest pollution reading to be 59, for a site on a river near Berlin, downstream from a sewage outfall. Not surprised - there was an article in North & South a year or two back about all the dairy conversions taking place in Otago/Southland and the effect they're having on the environment. It stated that approximately 80 litres of water are required to generate 4 litres of milk (in terms of cleaning everything) and that the runoff has made nearly every waterway in Southland unsafe to drink from. :horrified	nofam (9009)
833614	2009-11-25 21:25:00	The "Clean - Green" image that successive governments like to portray is more than just a sham...it is fraud. It is about time that the world is let into the secret of what a foul mess has been and is being made in this country. Widespread use of pesticides -herbicides, spray everywhere at the drop of a hat and all over our food, widespread use of poisons, 1080 and Brodifacoum, Brodifacoum in parks and next to houses, toxic dumps from chemical plants and timber treatments, the pollution due to intensive dairy farming has been mentioned. Actually the Waiwhetu Stream in Lower Hutt is probably the worst polluted of all water ways, worse than Manawatu, it is full of heavy metal sludges from over 100 years of industrial dumping. It is in the process of being dredged. Edit: Let's add a bit: The first thing that greets overseas visitors to Kaitoke Water works, a beautiful area that was used for filming scenes from The Lord of the Rings, site of Rivendell etc. is a plethora of signs saying DANGER 1080 POISON NO DOGS ALLOWED, all over the place, a great impression......... Then there is the obsession to plant pines everywhere, at the expense of regenerating native bush which they like to call "marginal land" or "scrub" Then not forget the excessive push for tourism which has introduced such nasties as Giardia and Cryptosporidium into our water ways, nasties unheard of once upon a time, and is putting pressure on, and degrading the very environment that attracts tourists in the first place. We need to drastically reduce the population...........:banana:punk	Terry Porritt (14)
833615	2009-11-25 22:00:00	Well im sure Cawthron Institute of NZ are very please with the sensationalist headlines, just "happens" a NZ river is #1. I always take these types of studies with a grain of salt, however no doubt its badly polluted.	Battleneter2 (9361)
833616	2009-11-25 22:39:00	That explains why the Tui beer tastes bad.:banana	convair (13650)
833617	2009-11-25 23:34:00	Its all bullshit the river is fine and you can swim in it and drink from it so what the oxygen level is down a fair bit who cares. Ganges is just a rubbish tip with bodies floating down it to compare rivers is stupid. Its a slow river would of meandered through native bush to the sea before we whiteys and our STEEL axes took to the trees and drained the swamps with STEEL spades. Thank **** the pioneers never had stilhs they would of chopped every tree from stewart is to north cape in 10 years.	prefect (6291)
833618	2009-11-26 00:01:00	The "Clean - Green" image that successive governments like to portray is more than just a sham...it is fraud. It is about time that the world is let into the secret of what a foul mess has been and is being made in this country. Widespread use of pesticides -herbicides, spray everywhere at the drop of a hat and all over our food, widespread use of poisons, 1080 and Brodifacoum, Brodifacoum in parks and next to houses, toxic dumps from chemical plants and timber treatments, the pollution due to intensive dairy farming has been mentioned. Actually the Waiwhetu Stream in Lower Hutt is probably the worst polluted of all water ways, worse than Manawatu, it is full of heavy metal sludges from over 100 years of industrial dumping. It is in the process of being dredged. Edit: Let's add a bit: The first thing that greets overseas visitors to Kaitoke Water works, a beautiful area that was used for filming scenes from The Lord of the Rings, site of Rivendell etc. is a plethora of signs saying DANGER 1080 POISON NO DOGS ALLOWED, all over the place, a great impression......... Then there is the obsession to plant pines everywhere, at the expense of regenerating native bush which they like to call "marginal land" or "scrub" Then not forget the excessive push for tourism which has introduced such nasties as Giardia and Cryptosporidium into our water ways, nasties unheard of once upon a time, and is putting pressure on, and degrading the very environment that attracts tourists in the first place. We need to drastically reduce the population...........:banana:punk They have cleaned the Thames up I believe,so should be possible to do the same here. I if I am producing pollutants,I should be prepared to remove b4 it hits public areas.	Cicero (40)
833619	2009-11-26 00:04:00	An immigrant who could have stayed in poverty rock saying we need to drastically reduce the population is unbelievable.	prefect (6291)
833620	2009-11-26 00:10:00	That explains why the Tui beer tastes bad.:banana Yeah right! But please do not confuse the Mangatainoka river with the Manawatu river.	Sweep (90)
833621	2009-11-26 00:13:00	The Mangatainoka flows into the Manawatu doesnt it?	prefect (6291)
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