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Thread ID: 105288	2009-11-26 01:02:00	Climate change?	Cicero (40)	PC World Chat

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833741	2009-11-28 01:41:00	Well you could try a mix of grass and clover works wonders for a cows methane production I think you’ve stumbled on it Gary. :thumbs: The likes of Clover and Lucerne are especially good at producing Methane during the digestive process. However, I have it on good authority that humans produce a lot more when eating vegetation owing to their digestive track not being designed for it. There’s a couple of very impressive names given to the two types of digestive tracks and I’m sure someone in the forum will help us out there. ;) So, it looks like it’s the Vegetarians amongst us that are causing the present situation of warming the planet. Eat up guys I want to be able to sit on the wing of a plane without freezing. As an aside, it looks like the Airlines are planning for this as I’ve seen signs on the wing that say “Step Here”. I guess that is so not to scratch the paintwork? :confused:	B.M. (505)
833742	2009-11-28 03:12:00	I don't follow your logic. If you remove *all* greenhouse gases then, yes, we will all freeze to death, but I am not aware of anyone wanting to do that. Why do you believe that reducing "these in the proportions being recommended" will cause us to freeze to death"? And please don't break wind. It will just make things worse. Well do you remember this? www.time.com They were onto it then! :lol:	B.M. (505)
833743	2009-11-28 03:29:00	So it is your opinion that the feverish economic activities of more than 6 billion individuals, who in the past have been not present on the scene, actually have no significant impact on the overall climate? I suggest that given the evidence all around us of drastic change the onus is on you to prove that it is not so. In the absence of that proof I'll trust in common sense and my gut feeling that we seeing the start of huge changes precipitated by vast and increasing overpopulation coupled with tragic mismanagement of precious limited resources and furthermore that the tipping point has already been reached and we are past the point of no return. Trusting in external metaphysical forces not allowed, we are on our own, sorry. Hello - I agree with zqwerty on a point!!! Shock, horror! "6 billion individuals have not been present on the scene in the past." Indeed. Yet we still had ice ages and very hot periods, even without those 6 billion individuals... Yet we are here. However those 6 billion individuals do have an affect on the environment: pollution and the like, but I find it impossible to believe these individuals have any major impact on the weather or the climate. The environment we CAN do something about. The climate is driven by bigger things than we have any control over.	johcar (6283)
833744	2009-11-28 04:17:00	Well do you remember this? www.time.com They were onto it then! :lol: Ah, 1974. Things have changed a bit since then, but let's be honest, the scientists who were quoted in the article (those still alive) no doubt will shuffle their feet, cough and remember urgent appointments when you ask about the coming ice age. The difference is that global warming is now based on many years of intensive research and a steady accumulation of evidence. The understanding of how a planet works has advanced tremendously in the last 35 years, and is still advancing. And let's give credit to the climate sceptics (not the deniers) who raised arguments against the idea of global warming, and so made it necessary to gather more evidence to meet those arguments. It is always OK to question the evidence for global warming, but those who do should at least be prepared to listen to the answers.	Jayess64 (8703)
833745	2009-11-28 04:55:00	Hello - I agree with zqwerty on a point!!! Shock, horror! "6 billion individuals have not been present on the scene in the past." Indeed. Yet we still had ice ages and very hot periods, even without those 6 billion individuals... Yet we are here. However those 6 billion individuals do have an affect on the environment: pollution and the like, but I find it impossible to believe these individuals have any major impact on the weather or the climate. The environment we CAN do something about. The climate is driven by bigger things than we have any control over. That is easily explained - check prefect's sig. Those old timers had so much fun they burned out early. All that burning out from mass partying overheated the place - sometimes quite seriously. The ice ages? Mother-in-law glances in those days were just as chilling as they are now.	R2x1 (4628)
833746	2009-11-28 05:10:00	Ah, 1974. Things have changed a bit since then, but let's be honest, the scientists who were quoted in the article (those still alive) no doubt will shuffle their feet, cough and remember urgent appointments when you ask about the coming ice age. The difference is that global warming is now based on many years of intensive research and a steady accumulation of evidence. The understanding of how a planet works has advanced tremendously in the last 35 years, and is still advancing. And let's give credit to the climate sceptics (not the deniers) who raised arguments against the idea of global warming, and so made it necessary to gather more evidence to meet those arguments. It is always OK to question the evidence for global warming, but those who do should at least be prepared to listen to the answers. Unfortunately, for the believers, the new evidence suggests that the so called accumulated facts were not facts at all and we now have numerous eminent scientists taking the opposing view, so, the whole matter is not clear cut, unless you believe those that say the earth is actually cooling where evidence has been tabled to prove it. Maybe the Scientists of 1974 were right after all, but their timing was out. :D This Global Warming to me has all the Hallmarks of the Y2K bug where we had a huge hoax and in NZ we even had a Y2K Commissioner that was still collecting his pay 12 month later whilst waiting in case something happened. :lol: I hope all those who filled their baths with drinking water to ease the crisis have taken the risk and have emptied them and taken a bath. :) However, global warming has such a lot going for it that it shouldn’t be discouraged. ;) Just think if we could melt all that useless Ice. Underneath could be arable land that could feed the multitudes, there’s probably even Minerals and Oil in abundance. ;) If only we could rid of that wretched ice.	B.M. (505)
833747	2009-11-29 06:22:00	"This Global Warming to me has all the Hallmarks of the Y2K bug where we had a huge hoax and in NZ we even had a Y2K Commissioner that was still collecting his pay 12 month later whilst waiting in case something happened. I hope all those who filled their baths with drinking water to ease the crisis have taken the risk and have emptied them and taken a bath. " Hoax? Like the moon-landing hoax, and the 9/11 hoax... People who buy that are just the sort that would empty their baths and then take a bath.	Jayess64 (8703)
833748	2009-11-29 06:48:00	Just think if we could melt all that useless Ice. Underneath could be arable land that could feed the multitudes, there’s probably even Minerals and Oil in abundance. ;) If only we could rid of that wretched ice. I hope you're joking there.....	qazwsxokmijn (102)
833749	2009-11-29 08:02:00	I hope you're joking there..... Well it's happened before so why not again??	paulw (1826)
833750	2009-11-29 19:28:00	Climate change has become, like most "Green" ideas, another religious believe. As with any religion you have to believe what "I" believe or you are on your way to hell. Just another way to frighten the population and make money/raise taxes while you con them that you are the one to save the world. Incidently I personaly think it is good to conserve and bad to polute I just refuse to believe the current popular propaganda without some very good evidence in support. Ever noticed that the same people who protest about the proposed building of a new power station or wind farm still want to flick a switch and expect to get electicity on demand?	CliveM (6007)
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