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Thread ID: 105288	2009-11-26 01:02:00	Climate change?	Cicero (40)	PC World Chat

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833711	2009-11-26 10:10:00	Well....I'm still eating sausages as much as I'd like. Not in defiance, but because they just taste so damn good.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
833712	2009-11-26 10:22:00	Yes but where do you get decent sausages these days? I note they come beef flavoured and pork flavoured etc. No actual beef or pork in them at all. Well maybe the pork ones were looked at from a height by a flying pig or something. :illogical	Sweep (90)
833713	2009-11-26 10:35:00	Another wrong thing from you. Can two homosexuals have sex and have fun? Yep. Can two lesbians have sex and fun. Yep. Either relationship will not lead to a growth in the population though. Breeding costs anyway. Either the breeders or the taxpayers. Doesn't look like fun for the women anyway. Well....breeding usually means the act is intended to create offspring. I'm pretty sure homos and lesbians know they'll NEVER produce a child doing what they do together..... Yes but where do you get decent sausages these days? I note they come beef flavoured and pork flavoured etc. No actual beef or pork in them at all. Well maybe the pork ones were looked at from a height by a flying pig or something. :illogical Yeah, I know. My staple diet is usually Asian cooking but of course after living here for nearly 10 years I eat heaps of European food. There's a Euro Deli on Lincoln Rd but I doubt it's the best sausage place in NZ. I might need to research for more nice sausages.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
833714	2009-11-26 11:54:00	Well....breeding usually means the act is intended to create offspring. I'm pretty sure homos and lesbians know they'll NEVER produce a child doing what they do together..... Yeah, I know. My staple diet is usually Asian cooking but of course after living here for nearly 10 years I eat heaps of European food. There's a Euro Deli on Lincoln Rd but I doubt it's the best sausage place in NZ. I might need to research for more nice sausages. I guess they may have fun trying though......... to breed. Best sausages I had were made out of wild pigs I killed and took to the local butcher. The venison ones were pretty good too. I'm now too old to chase after the pigs though. Well maybe not too old but not agile enough. I still use my Fathers recipe for what we called Fried Rice. We used diced lamb which was leftover from the roast we had done, onion, soy sauce, cayenne pepper, odd vegie leftovers chopped up, an egg or two and of course rice. I once got home from work and my wife at that time surprised me with her version. The rice was a tiny bit crunchy as it had not been boiled or steamed before it went in the electric frypan. Had to get back into the car and get some quick edible stuff. Anyway back to the subject:- You make good points in that climate change is not the only thing we have to worry about. But then there is a priority issue is there not? If you work you get wages. The IRD take a percentage depending on what you earn and give that to the government. What the IRD does not take you get to use for your own purposes so we are told. Human beings have a few needs like food and shelter being foremost but the food you buy carries a 12.5 % GST tax. In the event you need a vehicle to get to work the petrol you pay for has a tax incorporated and you pay the GST which is a tax on the whole amount which already inluded a tax. We got talked into accepting GST in the first place as the government of the day said they would abolish what was called sales tax and so they did. Now the government wants to push through the ETS and has done so with the help of the Maori Party. Another they put through today under urgency was to abolish the partial defence of provocation which I agree probably had to go. So to save the planet all workers in New Zealand may be forced to pay more for everything while others in other countries simply don't. For me I'd lower income tax and raise GST so those that spend more pay more. In the event the government leaves you with any extra income you can put that away and save and earn interest. Oh dear here comes the IRD again to take another tax on the interest on the savings you managed to make from wages if any.	Sweep (90)
833715	2009-11-26 12:05:00	I agree the government's being a huge prick up the ahole with this ETS system, especially when they're so quiet about where all the money will go, who will administer the financial of it and why only powerful rich iwis got some of the sweetened condensed milk. After reading about how much, even for supposedly charity purposes, were written off as 'administration costs' in many enterprises, I really wonder how much of the entire ETS money from us will be for 'administration'? I think John Key will have to be really upfront with all that. I would fully support this scheme, if the majority of the money goes to actual research/action to improve environmental conditions, but at the moment details are extremely bleak and to my perception almost non-existent. Perhaps further media scrutiny might open up some cans of worms, which would be pretty much expected anyway.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
833716	2009-11-26 12:22:00	I agree the government's being a huge prick up the ahole with this ETS system, especially when they're so quiet about where all the money will go, who will administer the financial of it and why only powerful rich iwis got some of the sweetened condensed milk. After reading about how much, even for supposedly charity purposes, were written off as 'administration costs' in many enterprises, I really wonder how much of the entire ETS money from us will be for 'administration'? I think John Key will have to be really upfront with all that. I would fully support this scheme, if the majority of the money goes to actual research/action to improve environmental conditions, but at the moment details are extremely bleak and to my perception almost non-existent. Perhaps further media scrutiny might open up some cans of worms, which would be pretty much expected anyway. I agree with you in principle but first I think we have to go back to square one. Can a carbon trading scheme change the climate so the world does not experience hurricanes, floods, thunder storms with hail and etc?	Sweep (90)
833717	2009-11-26 12:48:00	I agree with you in principle but first I think we have to go back to square one. Can a carbon trading scheme change the climate so the world does not experience hurricanes, floods, thunder storms with hail and etc? Debatable....at face value costs are passed down to consumers but it does cut down emission by heavy polluters somewhat. I'm more worried of the 'administrative' and 'behind-the-scenes' aspect of the whole scheme, really. In principle the emission trading is great if everyone plays by the rule and do things morally and ethically. Of course, that is if there is a strong positive correlation between pollution levels and erratic weather patterns. I'm not well aware of all the data but I believe there is some correlation between the two.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
833718	2009-11-26 13:06:00	Debatable....at face value costs are passed down to consumers but it does cut down emission by heavy polluters somewhat. I'm more worried of the 'administrative' and 'behind-the-scenes' aspect of the whole scheme, really. In principle the emission trading is great if everyone plays by the rule and do things morally and ethically. Of course, that is if there is a strong positive correlation between pollution levels and erratic weather patterns. I'm not well aware of all the data but I believe there is some correlation between the two. The ETS does not cut down the heavy polluters because we pay for them. Take the fact that New Zealand exports coal to China which they burn to produce electricity. Wow,,,, Just watching BBC news where they say they want to reduce emmisions by 45% by 2020 in China. In the meantime John Key was worried about this:- home.nzcity.co.nz And is not going to Copenhagen anyway. Time I went to the sack and I hope not to fart in the night.	Sweep (90)
833719	2009-11-26 13:16:00	The ETS does not cut down the heavy polluters because we pay for them. Take the fact that New Zealand exports coal to China which they burn to produce electricity. Wow,,,, Just watching BBC news where they say they want to reduce emmisions by 45% by 2020 in China. In the meantime John Key was worried about this:- home.nzcity.co.nz And is not going to Copenhagen anyway. Time I went to the sack and I hope not to fart in the night. China? Aiming to cut emissions by a whopping 45%? Don't make me laugh. So what does the NZ ETS do anyway? So far all I can gather about it is just a deal between rich iwis and the government for some legalised robbing.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
833720	2009-11-26 17:34:00	We may well be still emitting feverishly in the future, but at least it will be expensive designer emissions. That has to be a good thing doesn't it? There is very little chance we will reduce the mess anytime after the ETS industry is running; emission traders will cry poverty and gnash their political fangs if any hint of progress threatens their sacred cash cow. Selected Iwi will demand (and get) compensation for each item that reduces their emissions fees.	R2x1 (4628)
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