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Thread ID: 105399 2009-11-30 16:49:00 Climate Change Scientists Admit Dumping Data SurferJoe46 (51) PC World Chat
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835152 2009-12-18 12:22:00 Yet again - no evidence of global warming has been noticed in Wellington this summer. We'd welcome some of our ice caps melting though, so we could mow the lawn. Twelvevolts (5457)
835153 2009-12-18 18:31:00 www.nzherald.co.nz

LONDON - Emails stolen from climate scientists show they stonewalled sceptics and discussed hiding data - but the messages don't support claims that the science of global warming was faked, according to an exhaustive review by Associated Press.

... the exchanges don't undercut the vast body of evidence showing the world is warming because of man-made greenhouse gas emissions.

... no evidence of falsification or fabrication of data

Associated Press reviewed 1073 emails at the heart of the Climategate row. AP studied all the emails for context, with five reporters reading and rereading them - about 1 million words in total. As part of the AP review, summaries of the emails that raised issues from the potential manipulation of data to intensely personal attacks were sent to seven experts in research ethics, climate science and science policy.



Let me get this straight - they dumped the raw data and KEPT the "modified" and "homogenized" data that proved their arguments when the FACTS were totally different?!? Is that right?!? :ban
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SJ, the answer to your question "Is that right?!?" is NO. You have it wrong. The FACTS stand, in spite of *a few* 'personal latitudes' that *some* scientists took in the heat of the battle against wingnut skeptics. 		Strommer (42)
835154 2009-12-18 21:17:00 Ahhh yes, but the Stonewalling and withholding of figures clearly points to the fact they had an agenda . ;)

Then there is the small matter of data entries being made for weather stations that didn’t even exist at the time the entries were made . :blush:

Sort of a dead giveaway I’d have thought . :lol:

However, be the planet warming or cooling, we seem to have agreement we are looking at about 0 . 6 degrees C either way . Quite a natural phenomena and hardly worthy of the Mass Hysteria afforded the Happening .

But anyway, let’s dismiss the above and assume the mathematics were correct and the hysteria was warranted .

How would a taxation regime to give money to poorer nations fix it?

Seems to me to like putting a Band-Aid on your finger to cure a headache .

Dahhhh, the whole thing has Loonies written all over it for mine . :lol: 		B.M. (505)
835155 2009-12-18 22:19:00 All depends which school you subscribe to,and never the twain shall meet,don't ask me why.

And of course the existence on earth of greenies lefties and do-gooders. 		Cicero (40)
835156 2009-12-18 23:14:00 Of course opinions don’t matter until one side starts forcing its views on the other and then charging them big time for the privilege. :rolleyes:

If the argument was about Wanton Pollution then my attitude would change because I haven’t got any time for such behaviour.

However, the Greenies credibility is further damaged by them continually showing water vapour being emitted from power plant Cooling Towers in the hope that people will think it’s smoke.

When an organisation stoops to such tactics their credibility and integrity must be sorely tested. :rolleyes: 		B.M. (505)
835157 2009-12-18 23:37:00 SJ, the answer to your question "Is that right?!?" is NO . You have it wrong . The FACTS stand, in spite of *a few* 'personal latitudes' that *some* scientists took in the heat of the battle against wingnut skeptics .

personal latitudes??????

I guess that science nowadays makes allowances for a few decimal points or results that are a little skewed just to say that there's something like: "Where there's smoke, there's fire"?

No - they can have a "scientific proof" or they can have a "guesstimate" but to correlate both into a lump sum is NOT science and is not much more than voodoo economics, flat Earth reasoning and a fond belief that people can live in Upsidedown Land .

It tain't so!

One way or the other, but not an amalgam of each . If they call it "science" then it has to BE science! 		SurferJoe46 (51)
835158 2009-12-19 01:58:00 As someone said in the Dom today - people go down the Warehouse and buy cheap good from China in the morning - and go out and protest about Chinese polution and sweat shops in the afternoon.

This is Sue Kedgely type thinking - if only the peasants would take public transport there would be more room on the road for her car. 		Twelvevolts (5457)
835159 2009-12-19 02:00:00 Once again:

... the messages don't support claims that the science of global warming was faked, according to an exhaustive review by Associated Press.

... the exchanges don't undercut the vast body of evidence showing the world is warming because of man-made greenhouse gas emissions.

... no evidence of falsification or fabrication of data 		Strommer (42)
835160 2009-12-19 03:17:00 Once again:

... the messages don't support claims that the science of global warming was faked, according to an exhaustive review by Associated Press.

... the exchanges don't undercut the vast body of evidence showing the world is warming because of man-made greenhouse gas emissions.

... no evidence of falsification or fabrication of data

I thought it was climate change these days not global warming - just in case it got colder. And since when did we believe the Associated Press anyway? 		Twelvevolts (5457)
835161 2009-12-19 03:32:00 Just think, If we could travel back in time......and tax the dinosaurs for the changing climate over the last 20 million years.

Imagine, If you can, if you will....IF YOU DARE....How that would have changed things..... 		Metla (12)
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