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Thread ID: 105368	2009-11-29 19:55:00	Bikies Mall Protest Canned.	Trev (427)	PC World Chat

Post ID	Timestamp	Content	User
834746	2009-12-01 18:34:00	I have for years been Sam I Am (Blame my son) until I joined KB and the name was taken so Ronin it was. I still don't like green eggs and ham though.	Sam I Am (1679)
834747	2009-12-02 07:30:00	to all you "Next" in the list people maybe a read of this will help you Here (http://www.bikersagainstacc.org.nz/)	beama (111)
834748	2009-12-02 08:41:00	It has nothing to do with who have more accidents or are at fault but to do with the vulnerability of M/C in accidents, eg a car hits a powerpole at 50ks and a M/C hits a powerpole at 50K who is more likely to need the biggest amount of ACC. :)	Trev (427)
834749	2009-12-02 08:51:00	It has nothing to do with who have more accidents or are at fault. It has everything to do with it when the Minister is quoting false numbers to back up his actions.	Metla (12)
834750	2009-12-02 09:08:00	The actions taken in regards to ACC have nothing to do with bikes, or the costs involved, and have everything to do with raising funds by massive tax increases, all the facts, figures and arguments put forward are a smokescreen, They are after cash, they have a plan to take it. Just about everything they have put forward has been a misrepresentation, flawed or an outright lie. All the while they attack ACC at its core. Bikes are just the first target, Your next.	Metla (12)
834751	2009-12-02 19:14:00	It has nothing to do with who have more accidents or are at fault but to do with the vulnerability of M/C in accidents, eg a car hits a powerpole at 50ks and a M/C hits a powerpole at 50K who is more likely to need the biggest amount of ACC. :) That is what ACC want the public to think. The average cost of an ACC claim for a motorcyclist is about 4th down the list. It costs more for Car Claim Pedestrian Cyclist The claims by ACC have very little to do with bikers and their cost and everything to do with us being an easily identifiable group and there being an easily used mechanism (Vehicle levy) to attack us with. If you are on $50k a year (lucky you) then you will be paying an extra $500 a year under these proposals. That does not count what your employer will also have to pay out. Your car reg is also going up by an obscene amount. Good aye.	Sam I Am (1679)
834752	2009-12-02 19:31:00	I think its awesome to be taxed off the road by a government department which collected 4b last year, and paid out 3b. Using a sliding scale that could only be the work of a ****wit.	Metla (12)
834753	2009-12-02 19:33:00	Yeah I'm just as pissed off about ACC levies as most people. I think they should have a better way of collecting the fees. I'm a low km user why should I pay as much as someone who dose 50,000km a year or more. :)	Trev (427)
834754	2009-12-02 19:52:00	Yeah I'm just as pissed off about ACC levies as most people. I think they should have a better way of collecting the fees. I'm a low km user why should I pay as much as someone who dose 50,000km a year or more. :) Then we are at polar opposites. The levy for all motor vehicles should be the same. The very basis of Accident compensation is that we all pay a little to help those who get hurt, with no blame attributed. If we are to go down the track of assesing risk and charging accordingly then you will be required to pay a massive fee to cross a busy road, A $5000 tax will have to be put on bicycles, and rugby balls will cost between 10 and 20 thousand dollars each. It makes no sense to single out certain groups to charge more, while others get no charge at all. The Government needs to either work within the definition of ACC or stop pretending and tell the public they intend to scrap it rather then destroying it bit by bit. And again, ACC In comparison to systems all around the world is regarded as one of the best,and they have billions in reserve.	Metla (12)
834755	2009-12-02 20:20:00	The Government needs to either work within the definition of ACC or stop pretending and tell the public they intend to scrap it rather then destroying it bit by bit. I see privatization on the horizon.	Strommer (42)
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