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Thread ID: 105399	2009-11-30 16:49:00	Climate Change Scientists Admit Dumping Data	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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835122	2009-12-01 02:19:00	No different to any other group of people. Police who have been known to change testimony, witnesses who have done the same, second hand car merchants and etc. I expect more from so called scientists!	Cicero (40)
835123	2009-12-01 02:37:00	This climate scandal is getting interesting: . . . two further shocking examples have now come to light from Australia and New Zealand . In each of these countries it has been possible for local scientists to compare the official temperature record with the original data on which it was supposedly based . In each case it is clear that the same trick has been played – to turn an essentially flat temperature chart into a graph which shows temperatures steadily rising . And in each case this manipulation was carried out under the influence of the CRU . . . . shocking revelation of these documents is the ruthless way in which these academics have been determined to silence any expert questioning of the findings they have arrived at by such dubious methods . . . the statistical methods used to create the "hockey stick" were first exposed as fundamentally flawed by an expert Canadian statistician Steve McIntyre . . . . . . the question which inevitably arises from this systematic refusal to release their data is – what is it that these scientists seem so anxious to hide? . . . Our hopelessly compromised scientific establishment cannot be allowed to get away with a whitewash of what has become the greatest scientific scandal of our age . Read full article here . ( . telegraph . co . uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6679082/Climate-change-this-is-the-worst-scientific-scandal-of-our-generation . html" target="_blank">www . telegraph . co . uk) Great article Steve . However, my major concern is we don’t seem to have any “World Leaders” saying whoaaaa, let’s mark time until we get to bottom of this . They seem to be in absolute denial that their trusted advisors could have deceived them like this . I guess in the fullness of time when the heat goes on and these highly respected advisors are looking at prison sentences they will claim they were acting on instructions from the “World Leader”, which, given the Leaders reluctance to stop and investigate fully, may well be the case . ;)	B.M. (505)
835124	2009-12-01 03:59:00	Great article Steve . However, my major concern is we don’t seem to have any “World Leaders” saying whoaaaa, let’s mark time until we get to bottom of this . They seem to be in absolute denial that their trusted advisors could have deceived them like this . I guess in the fullness of time when the heat goes on and these highly respected advisors are looking at prison sentences they will claim they were acting on instructions from the “World Leader”, which, given the Leaders reluctance to stop and investigate fully, may well be the case . ;) I would have to ditto that Bo .	Cicero (40)
835125	2009-12-01 05:05:00	Great article Steve . However, my major concern is we don’t seem to have any “World Leaders” saying whoaaaa, let’s mark time until we get to bottom of this . They seem to be in absolute denial that their trusted advisors could have deceived them like this . I guess in the fullness of time when the heat goes on and these highly respected advisors are looking at prison sentences they will claim they were acting on instructions from the “World Leader”, which, given the Leaders reluctance to stop and investigate fully, may well be the case . ;) Isn't that the bit that it's all about? ;)	R2x1 (4628)
835126	2009-12-05 13:50:00	Why are politicians so keen to embrace a carbon tax? - Labour in Australia is so determined to lead the field in self righteously taxing carbon emmisions. The answer is in the tax yield - estimated for Australia to be $120 billion per annum - with those sort of funds to buy election bribes they could hold onto power forever. What so many of the voters fail to realise is that when politicians are bribing voters thay are using the voters' own money, that they have taken in excessive taxes, or worse still have borrowed, so that the voter can then repay their borrowings plus interst.	KenESmith (6287)
835127	2009-12-05 19:55:00	That seems assume the voters will not notice they are being hugely over taxed.!	Cicero (40)
835128	2009-12-05 20:38:00	Why are politicians so keen to embrace a carbon tax? - Labour in Australia is so determined to lead the field in self righteously taxing carbon emmisions. The answer is in the tax yield - estimated for Australia to be $120 billion per annum - with those sort of funds to buy election bribes they could hold onto power forever. What so many of the voters fail to realise is that when politicians are bribing voters thay are using the voters' own money, that they have taken in excessive taxes, or worse still have borrowed, so that the voter can then repay their borrowings plus interst. Ken, you at least have politicians with the balls to reject the nonsense. I was over there when the Queensland Elections were on and I laughed my head off when I think it was the Courier Mail went around all the politicians and asked them their view on climate change. All they could get from Rudd’s Muppets was “No Comment” so they put photos of them all on the front page with duct tape across their mouths. Clearly Rudd had instructed them not to discuss the matter. I always figure there is an ulterior motive if someone won’t discuss or debate an issue. I figure Australia is going to rue the day they ever put Rudd into power and unfortunately Rudd and Key seem to have a lot in common. :rolleyes: The real nonsense is that even if Global Warming did exist, taxing a Farmer because his stock are farting isn’t going to stop them. I can’t for the life of me see how the believers can reconcile this unless they want the farmers to stop farming and the rest of us turn vegetarian or starve to death. All this when we could have lovely warmer temperatures and acres of arable land at the poles. Place Tui Add here.	B.M. (505)
835129	2009-12-05 21:23:00	Good to see commons prevailing instead of 12v and other of that ilk talking rubbish. Keep it up B.M.	Cicero (40)
835130	2009-12-09 00:54:00	Didn’t anyone watch Close Up on Climate Change last night . :) Quite good, it had Gareth Morgan in the “For” corner and Ian Wishart in the “Against” corner . Both of them made good sense . Both agreed that Michael Mann and his hockey stick were a fraud . Wishart pointed out readings were logged from a station in Australia going back to the 1960’s when the station wasn’t built until the 1990’s . :eek: He then read an E-Mail from a guy who was supposed to build the numbers into a model . He refused and quit amongst rude utterances . :lol: Both agreed there has been some very bad behaviour by both sides . Morgan made the point that the Data that is in his book was supposedly correct as at the end of 2008, indicating he wouldn’t state his life on it now . Morgan also quite rightly distanced himself from Carbon Credit trading stating that Global Warming and Carbon Taxes were two different things . Interestingly, when asked what he thought the outcome of Copenhagen would be, he replied that “whatever USA and China agreed to would be it” . Not a bad summing up in my view . However, they had a public pole on who the public at large believed and Sainsbury was visibly shaken when the numbers came up 77% for Wishart and 23% for Morgan . I note also that the result of the poll has been suppressed, can’t be found on TV One website as it obviously didn’t please management or the government . :lol:	B.M. (505)
835131	2009-12-09 01:05:00	It always interests me,how the minority rules in the above example. Pretty sure these carbon tax's will come about,silly twits.! Keep up excellent work B.M.if you were here you would have 3 stars on the back of your hand.	Cicero (40)
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