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Thread ID: 146677	2018-10-21 23:37:00	Yikun Zhang & Tame Iti	B.M. (505)	PC World Chat

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1454702	2018-10-22 16:37:00	Not surprised, it only follows that someone as batsh*t crazy as you would attract similar people as mates. Wow, yet another outstanding contribution from the Forums “Self Appointed Intellectual Heavyweight”. :clap	B.M. (505)
1454703	2018-10-22 20:48:00	We should all be more worried about the ability of someone to get two people on the National party's list simply by paying / donating / bribing $100,000. Don't forget the "New Zealand Order of Merit" "gong". All available at a price. :rolleyes:	B.M. (505)
1454704	2018-10-23 22:08:00	Well how about this? I ran into a mate that is well connected to the Tuhoe Iwi and popped him the question of why Tame Iti was in China and apparently a guest of this chap Yikun Zhang. Well you could have knocked me down with a feather duster. Firstly, this mate is in his 70’s and a damn good bloke. He clearly dislikes Tame Iti claiming he wasn’t even a Tuhoe, he was an Arawa, a post box baby. I had no idea what that was and he explained that it was a baby that the parents couldn’t look after and was put in someone’s letter box for them to! :eek: (He went on, “They should have put a stamp on his head and written “Return to sender” on his ar.e”.) Now, to cut to the chase, apparently Tuhoe are the only Tribe in Law that has the right to determine their own destiny. It seems there is Gold on their land and some of them wish to mine it and get rich. They argue the Government has no control over the situation. It certainly would explain Tame Iti’s presence in China and association with this prominent Chinese Businessman. I wonder if I can become a Tuhoe? :D	B.M. (505)
1454705	2018-10-24 06:00:00	Don't forget the "New Zealand Order of Merit" "gong". All available at a price. :rolleyes: Yes - another disgraceful episode. The politicians involved should be hanging their heads in shame. (but we all know that the media won't follow up on it - more interested in the nutter.)	decibel (11645)
1454706	2018-10-24 20:20:00	Well how about this? I ran into a mate that is well connected to the Tuhoe Iwi and popped him the question of why Tame Iti was in China and apparently a guest of this chap Yikun Zhang. Well blow me down, another mysterious 'mate' who is agreeing with you. It's like when Trump lied about how Muslims were constantly ringing him up thanking him for the travel ban!	Nick G (16709)
1454707	2018-10-25 01:49:00	Well blow me down, another mysterious 'mate' who is agreeing with you. Oh learned one. Please explain how if I ask someone a question, because I don’t know the answer, their response means they are agreeing with me. :confused: Did you forget your medication again? :rolleyes:	B.M. (505)
1454708	2018-10-25 02:02:00	Tuhoe argue the Government has no control over the situation. It certainly would explain Tame Iti’s presence in China and association with this prominent Chinese Businessman. Yes. Tuhoe or not, most of those activist maori are out to get what they can....and he is always hanging about money like a fly on s***.	piroska (17583)
1454709	2018-10-25 03:36:00	For those interested I have been reading up a bit about this Tuhoe Iwi and found it most interesting. I’m starting to think these fellas might be the smartest Iwi. :eek: For a start they never signed the Treaty, but still managed to extract a $170M settlement claim. :D Then I quote: “For the past 25 years, since lodging the first of a long series of Treaty of Waitangi claims, Tuhoe has walked resolutely backwards, retracing its steps towards a moment 118 years ago when the tribe had within its grasp what no other Maori iwi had been able to attain under colonial dominion: recognition of its right to govern itself and to forge its own destiny. On August 27, 2012, Tuhoe stopped walking. On that day, the New Zealand Cabinet agreed to offer Tuhoe a settlement that included financial redress, control of the tribe’s traditional homeland—Te Urewera National Park—and a pathway to autonomy. The settlement is unique, both for the Crown’s willingness to negotiate over so prized a public asset as a national park and for its readiness to address the politically volatile concept of mana motuhake, the assertion of independent authority. No other iwi has made mana motuhake a non-negotiable component of its treaty claim. But perhaps no other iwi craves self-determination the way Tuhoe does.” From HERE (www.nzgeo.com) but a lot more interesting stuff about them on Google for those interested. I think I’m going to have to review my thinking on these fella’s. :)	B.M. (505)
1454710	2018-10-26 06:42:00	The situation is becoming clearer. :eek: 9115	B.M. (505)
1454711	2018-10-28 22:49:00	For those interested I have been reading up a bit about this Tuhoe Iwi and found it most interesting. I’m starting to think these fellas might be the smartest Iwi. :eek: For a start they never signed the Treaty, but still managed to extract a $170M settlement claim. :D Then I quote: “For the past 25 years, since lodging the first of a long series of Treaty of Waitangi claims, Tuhoe has walked resolutely backwards, retracing its steps towards a moment 118 years ago when the tribe had within its grasp what no other Maori iwi had been able to attain under colonial dominion: recognition of its right to govern itself and to forge its own destiny. On August 27, 2012, Tuhoe stopped walking. On that day, the New Zealand Cabinet agreed to offer Tuhoe a settlement that included financial redress, control of the tribe’s traditional homeland—Te Urewera National Park—and a pathway to autonomy. The settlement is unique, both for the Crown’s willingness to negotiate over so prized a public asset as a national park and for its readiness to address the politically volatile concept of mana motuhake, the assertion of independent authority. No other iwi has made mana motuhake a non-negotiable component of its treaty claim. But perhaps no other iwi craves self-determination the way Tuhoe does.” From HERE (www.nzgeo.com) but a lot more interesting stuff about them on Google for those interested. I think I’m going to have to review my thinking on these fella’s. :) But I'll bet everything I have that any deal does not stop them getting welfare benefits from the New Zealand taxpayer.	decibel (11645)
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