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| Thread ID: 105488 | 2009-12-04 03:23:00 | Should we be worried? | nofam (9009) | PC World Chat |
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| 836300 | 2009-12-04 09:03:00 | There's a difference between piracy and physical theft. Piracy - you lose nothing, other than - possibly - profit. Theft - you lose something. The principle is similar though. |
ubergeek85 (131) | ||
| 836301 | 2009-12-04 09:06:00 | Thats a statement you will NEVER win. Take this for example -- Lets say for a moment you are a programmer - you design some program, and thousands of people want to buy it -- Now lets say you decide to make a living from selling that and other programs - say $100 per copy and you sell 5 a day. All good while people pay for your work. Someone puts it on the internet, and its downloaded by thousands of people - you get nothing for it and your income dries up, where if you had sold it you would get $$. WHOS the loser - YOU!! SO going by your theory its perfectly fine for people to pirate your work. But would those thousands of people pay for it in the first place? |
xyz823 (13649) | ||
| 836302 | 2009-12-04 09:13:00 | If people don't pay for the software then the developer of the software gives up and stops developing. | convair (13650) | ||
| 836303 | 2009-12-04 09:19:00 | If people don't pay for the software then the developer of the software gives up and stops developing. BUT what I'm trying to say is that, most of the people who would pirate the software probably wouldn't pay for it in the first place! I'm not by any means condoning piracy. |
xyz823 (13649) | ||
| 836304 | 2009-12-04 09:23:00 | But would those thousands of people pay for it in the first place? Those people would be stealing your work (going by your theory thats perfectly OK) - IF it were given away and you said it was OK to give away then its not stealing, BUT those people would be taking money out of your income that you expected to be paid for. Others would be honest and pay for what you created. Saying its Not physical is a :lol:. Take another option -- you work for 8 hours a day - your boss says he's only going to pay you for 5. Hes not actually taking anything physical away from you, apart from your time - time is not a physical item. It boils down to the fact, if something that an honest person would pay for is taken without payment its stealing - doesn't matter if its a item you can hold in your hand or purchase electronically. The movie you quoted, 2012 - least say 1 million people downloaded it illegally - the actors if it were purchased got paid a certain amount from each sale -the actors cant be paid because of piracy. Sure the movie companies are selling movies at an over priced rate, (no disagreement there) and if they were reasonable more people would pay for them-- I'd rather pay $5 and down load a quality product rather than some pirated crappy picture/audio. |
wainuitech (129) | ||
| 836305 | 2009-12-04 09:32:00 | If you download an illegal copy of software you don't get any support from the developer because you didn't purchase the right to use the product and product support. I'd rather fork out the money for the software or whatever and know that I'm putting money into the developers pocket so they can continue to develop the software or make more programs. |
convair (13650) | ||
| 836306 | 2009-12-04 09:48:00 | Take another option -- you work for 8 hours a day - your boss says he's only going to pay you for 5 . Hes not actually taking anything physical away from you, apart from your time - time is not a physical item . What I'm saying is more like you have an 8 hour shift but get sent home after 5 hours . You havn't lost anything EXCEPT the OPPORTUNITY to earn that money . It boils down to the fact, if something that an honest person would pay for is taken without payment its stealing - doesn't matter if its a item you can hold in your hand or purchase electronically . I never said anything about physical or electronic . The definition of steal is: to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as a habitual or regular practice . When pirating you are making a copy of the item . Its like if I had a magic machine that made a copy of powerdrills . Even though I never plan to buy one in the first place I have made a copy and the seller hasn't lost out because I wasn't going to pay for one in the first place . The movie you quoted, 2012 - least say 1 million people downloaded it illegally - the actors if it were purchased got paid a certain amount from each sale -the actors cant be paid because of piracy . So far all the money generated by this film has been from movie theatres . So far 2012 has made $141,336,196 so far at the box office . This should be enough to pay for everything . Then when you add DVD sales on top of this (and future viewings at theatres) the movie company is raking it in . I am in no way, shape or form condoning piracy . I am merely saying that when you look into it deeper and think about it more, piracy is NOT theft . YES I agree it is bad . But if that law came into place, I don't think people would suddenly start paying for everything . Simply because they can't afford it . They would either find free alternatives or go without . |
xyz823 (13649) | ||
| 836307 | 2009-12-04 09:53:00 | If you download an illegal copy of software you don't get any support from the developer because you didn't purchase the right to use the product and product support. I'd rather fork out the money for the software or whatever and know that I'm putting money into the developers pocket so they can continue to develop the software or make more programs. Proves my point exactly. You WANT to use the software so are willing to pay for it. Even if it WASN'T avalible to pirate YOU WOULD STILL BUY IT. But many of the piraters would never pay for the software in the first place. They would use freeware alternatives if they couldn't pirate the software. Example, Microsoft Office. People don't like forking out hundreds of dollars for software. So they pirate it. But if you couldn't pirate it, many of those people would switch to open office. The same applies to Photoshop and The Gimp. Using your theory you could even go as far to say you are making the developers of photoshop lose money because you aren't paying for their software but using something that was designed to be like photoshop. I'm simply saying a law change won't increase profits hugely because people will find ways to not buy the software but still get the job done. |
xyz823 (13649) | ||
| 836308 | 2009-12-04 10:12:00 | 2012 has actually made $592,636,196 worldwide. boxofficemojo.com |
xyz823 (13649) | ||
| 836309 | 2009-12-04 21:14:00 | ACTA is too extreme for it to work. There would be massive protests and it would give all the pirate parties a boost. | Netsukeninja (13296) | ||
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