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| Thread ID: 105686 | 2009-12-10 21:45:00 | See What Youse Miss Living Below The Equator? | SurferJoe46 (51) | PC World Chat |
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| 838569 | 2009-12-11 19:38:00 | Winne had sold out to the West and needed that "Wow-factor" of home defense and the shock (feigned) that the Germans would even cower to stoop to such a low blow that now the English resolve had to be to go for it pell-mell . "It" was, of course a total drive to keep the Krauts off the beaches of England and out of their pubs . OK - that's sarcastic - but I totally believe that Churchill sold out to the circus that was to become WW-2 and he theatrically pushed England into a war that was inevitable anyway - but looked upon with scorn and fear amongst the Brit "civil" society . I'll leave that point now to get back to the aerodrome defenses and the so-resulting rush to fly that England had by reasons of rankled fear mongering and outright crass quantum leaps into political intrigue and unfortunate circumstances . I hold Churchill personally responsible and morally destitute for what he did to the English people under the license of war acts, pending war acts and threats from the Germans . I feel he sold the whole island nation down the river and the resulting hurry-up to defense was a sham . It killed and destroyed more lives than just meet the eye on the battle fronts . It also killed the spirited romanticism in many fine people, even with their rather funny sounding speech and strange dietary habits . The inclusivio to this is that all this corruption rolled down hill and the materials and designs since they were so Neanderthal-like in design- with poor base materials and their crass and unqualified production - but this was all the Brits could do and organize under the circumstances . Churchill sent England into the fray prematurely with his personal vendettas and thought very little of the consequential actions - except to create a need to unify and tie into the Anglo-American Dual World Power that you see to this day . Pardon Joe??? The second world war was as inevitable as night follows day . Unless, of course, the Poms agreed to subjugation by the German race . Unreal treaties tied countries to going to war if their allies were invaded . Churchill was the man of the time . He was the only one to stand up and forsee what would happen if they went for appeasement once more . (The only good thing about appeasement was it bought time) Churchill could see the need to get the American industry going on the allies side . The war could not have been won without it and we all thank you guys for it . The same thing happened in the WW1, with the first battle the USA took part in started mid August 1918 in the Meuse-Argonne attack . (There had been small troop secondments to the British and French armies to learn the ropes . ) This battle dragged in the French from their sectors to assist (remember "Freedom Fries") and lasted 42 days to the signing of the armistice . It is just that back then it was a bugger of a job to kick start the good old USA . If Pearl Harbour not have happened, God knows where the world would be today . Unfortunately IMO the USA has been, at the drop of a hat, to go to invade and bring democracy to all since then and I have problems equating their reasoning for doing so . Ken |
kenj (9738) | ||
| 838570 | 2009-12-11 20:02:00 | Churchill deserved to live where he did. So do people who think he was a hero. So true,what the world needs is more would be jokers. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 838571 | 2009-12-11 20:21:00 | Pardon Joe??? Unfortunately IMO the USA has been, at the drop of a hat, to go to invade and bring democracy to all since then and I have problems equating their reasoning for doing so . Ken OIL Lurking . |
Lurking (218) | ||
| 838572 | 2009-12-11 21:09:00 | Second world war history revisionists should be treated like holocaust deniers. | prefect (6291) | ||
| 838573 | 2009-12-11 22:41:00 | Is any one else getting sick of this Yank's continual postings on this Forum? Are there no USA based forums where he can't rant, or is it that no one over there listens to him? |
Zippity (58) | ||
| 838574 | 2009-12-12 05:14:00 | So true,what the world needs is more would be jokers . It was all a big play to rile up the pawns and get some gusto and some home-brewed indignation and hate-mongering going . Pearl Harbor was just as pre-staged Churchill's Bulldog tactics . Both actions were shameful wastes of life for the sake of national pride and monetary gain for the elitists . Both leaders bowed to the industrialist's cartels and sold their underlings out . The war had to last as long as it did to make the most profit possible for the militarists lobbies that profiteered from munitions, instruments of destruction and land grabs in the name of peace . It didn't work - did it? I just watched a BBC Special on the Black Plague . As Maudlin as it appeared on the surface, I guess decimating about 50% of the population was good - after all then came the Renaissance . Sorry to say that there hasn't been another Renaissance after either WW1 or WW2 . Lurking: Oil is indeed a big part . Of course we don't see it here in the trenches, so it's not real obvious to US citizens about what you are talking . After all - the fuel prices here are higher than they like, albeit lower than what you pay - but they found that the tipping point for the US was at $4 . 00/gallon . Prices declines rapidly when it got that high a while back and it's hovering just below that now . I'm beginning to think that the US is intent on using all the oil it can from countries outside the US and then when the short supplies force the prices ridiculously high, then the Alaska oil fields will reopen and cash in on the created shortage and bankrupt the rest of the world . All of the US cozy posturing with Mexico's Presidente Fox in the Bush administration was to try to get their nationally-owned oil into the US and leave Mexico bereft of any energy resources . There will not be another Tea Pot Dome Scandal . Oil wells are capped all over the Southland of California and they were producing so well that most people remember it fondly . Texas wells are the same way and the Alaska wells are producing for Japan and other Oriental countries - so it doesn't come to the lower 48 . The statement that it's the oil - don't ring here for the average trench dweller . After all they don't see it lowering the prices for them . |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 838575 | 2009-12-12 08:03:00 | Lurking: I'm beginning to think that the US is intent on using all the oil it can from countries outside the US and then when the short supplies force the prices ridiculously high, then the Alaska oil fields will reopen and cash in on the created shortage and bankrupt the rest of the world . SJ Not only oil, but most of America's minerals were bought off-shore, chromium from South Africa is one good example, those big flashy bumper-bars eh! . I think when the market is flooded with US Bonds from China/Japan, the US may go belly up first . Lurking . |
Lurking (218) | ||
| 838576 | 2009-12-12 09:04:00 | Is any one else getting sick of this Yank's continual postings on this Forum? Are there no USA based forums where he can't rant, or is it that no one over there listens to him?Hey, that comment is uncalled for. If you don't want to read a member's post, then just block them. No one makes you read the threads. |
Jen (38) | ||
| 838577 | 2009-12-18 20:15:00 | SJ Not only oil, but most of America's minerals were bought off-shore, chromium from South Africa is one good example, those big flashy bumper-bars eh! . I think when the market is flooded with US Bonds from China/Japan, the US may go belly up first . Lurking . Yeah - I see that too (BTW: Sorry for any perceived insults to Churchill - I only have the sanitized version of history here from a US standpoint) . I see China is in a bad spot from their involvement with the US as it's first sales/preferred customer, since the US is now in a shambles, market wise, and buying is not what the retailers thought it should be this year . Goods are piled high in Chinese warehouses and on docks, awaiting better times (read: higher, paid prices) in the US market . I feel that the US will somehow whitewash the troubles, declare that the "recession" is over and advise big item and large ticket sales are OK now and the US will drop another round and deeper into what should really be called a depression . I await the Obama-Feel-Good Corps to start the happy headlines any moment . Then the other shoe will drop . The big stink-o right now is the health insurance fiasco . The Democrats want to make a single-payer system (the Obama Medical Company) and that if any citizen does NOT opt in, they will have the funds "excised" from their checking/savings accounts anyway - with NO medical insurance as a punishment for being so obstinate . There is no optioning out - you either use it for a fee or pay the fee anyway . Hmmm? Seizure of private funds that will ostensibly go for medical care and prescriptions when in reality the Gummernmint will have it and lot's o' luck ever seeing that money again! It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't program and now they just voted to ban Canadian prescription drugs for resale in the US . The US pharmaceutical companies make the drugs which they sell for outrageous prices in the US - and ship the same drug to Canada for a lot less charge . Then some people have their doctors hand them a prescription, they drive to Canada, buy the same drugs for 1/4 to 1/3rd the price they pay in the US and the Feds want to block all that traffic . This is bigger than the AIG buyout - but the names have all been changed! |
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