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Thread ID: 105913	2009-12-18 19:04:00	Two girls sentenced for Opotikie murder	Digby (677)	PC World Chat

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840941	2009-12-21 20:31:00	A life sentence...................<snip>....................... Oooo, I just about wet myself laughing....Chris....dont preach on here okay! Half the issues of today is caused by liberal minded lefties who's wonderful ideals of soft approach have all but destroyed man's respect for others and where everything else stems from.	SolMiester (139)
840942	2009-12-21 21:45:00	Oooo, I just about wet myself laughing....Chris....dont preach on here OK! Half the issues of today is caused by liberal minded lefties who's wonderful ideals of soft approach have all but destroyed man's respect for others and where everything else stems from. That lad lives in a world of his own,therefore can not be called accountable.	Cicero (40)
840943	2009-12-21 22:14:00	That lad lives in a world of his own,therefore can not be called accountable. I think his just young mate, with no real experience of life....and lets face it, church is a lovely cushioning bubble!	SolMiester (139)
840944	2009-12-21 23:58:00	I'm back, for one post only. Typing on a damned cellphone. I'll have proper interwebs in a few weeks i guess. Chris dude... How can you be serious? If i smoked some pee and raped your mother, it wouldn't be my fault? Cool. When i crush your father under my 4wd while doing 95 in a 50 stoned off this planet? That's cool too? By your logic 99% of the folks in africa that grow up in hell like conditions, with barely enough food to survive, they should be excused for murder cause they didn't have what you and i have? Or perhaps you imply that people from goode families and well to do homes don't kill maim and rape? Seriously, get you head out of your behind. Some people are plain fraked up, and they'd do the same kind of crap regardless. Someone here also said the drug dealers should be charged with murder if we let these guys off due to being intoxicated... I say we hang the ducking lot of them. Been a fair while since we had a good lynching party and i say we're well overdue in that department. ^ 17 years is a long time? I guess it is. But does it really matter? 17 days or 17 years those witches will not change and they ruin more lives when they get out. Let's save the money and burn them, i'll bring the wood someone else can bring the matches :) On the other hand... The ruling was good compared to what we usually get... Remember community service for the exorcist's brown cousins (your clansmen prefect?) And the 3 months for killing the 78 year old indian guy... Stop your whining and look at the real work chris, it ain't no fairytale. It's a hellhole. Being nice and forgiving doesn't keep the streets clean, it takes and iron fist, prisons akin to pigfarms and a noose to sort crime out. Pardon my spelling errors, and if some words look out of place use your imagination. :)	Cato (6936)
840945	2009-12-22 00:12:00	I wish that was the case. Alcohol causes more harm than good, on a world scale. Diminishing that would be a great resolution to a lot of life's problems, as well as the drug issue. Are you sure we are not talking about religion here? Put "religion" in place of the italicised words and voila - you make sense.	R2x1 (4628)
840946	2009-12-22 00:34:00	One does wonder why Jesus turned water into wine so we are told.	Sweep (90)
840947	2009-12-22 04:49:00	And that was the gospel according to rob_on_guitar folks. Yes, its called 'calling it how it is, no wishy washy crap'.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
840948	2009-12-22 05:06:00	Chris09. I have read what you have posted with interest. I can understand your point of view even. However there are some things that *I* will tolerate and others that I won't. Should *I* turn the other cheek and tolerate all failings of every other person on this planet just because you say so? The two people convicted of the murder of were presumably guilty of taking the life of a person who just happened to be in the wrong place at the time of the offence. You have mentioned a "conscience". You mention "rational people" and you have alluded to "common sense". Do we know if the two people convicted have a conscience which would imply knowing the difference between right and wrong and also feeling guilty? Do we know that the people concerned were "rational people" and also healthy. For all I know there may be mental health issues but the defendants did not plead that as a defence did they? Also "common sense" is sadly lacking. The fact that the girls involved have left the at large society for some 17 years tells me that they will not be able to offend against another person in the general society until they get out of prison by way of parole or escape. You mention that drugs and alcohol should not be available but the fact remains that the Govt has deemed alcohol to be legal for general use if over a certain age. The Government has failed to stem the tide of other illegal drugs. On my side I do not go along with a death penalty in general as I suspect that some people are incarcerated for crimes they did not commit. That is correct, people have different tolerances to different things. Of course not, if that is what you choose. I’m putting tolerance out there, and a different side rather than the one which is by majority – kill them for vengeance and punishment, or let them live the rest of their life in jail. Everyone has a certain degree of conscience I do believe, and everyone has a degree of what is right and what is wrong. Upbringing has an impact on those variables without a doubt. I don’t know what they feel, but it would be interesting to know their side since I haven’t heard it myself. Not that I know of such a plea, but perhaps they may not have used that as an excuse, because they realized what they had done and the punishments available. I doubt however, that both would have mental health issues, but they were under a drug influence. Common sense is lacking, yes. The government doesn’t enforce it, or if so, not much. 12 year olds still get pissed on Friday nights with their friends. More action needs to be taken. Same with drugs, very light criminal charges. That’s good to hear.  I think his just young mate, with no real experience of life....and lets face it, church is a lovely cushioning bubble! I’m young, and growing in a world which has been modeled by your generation’s behavior and values. Should I thank you for it? And what does that bubble do? Appears you know of something I do not. I'm back, for one post only. Typing on a damned cellphone. I'll have proper interwebs in a few weeks i guess. Chris dude... How can you be serious? If i smoked some pee and raped your mother, it wouldn't be my fault? Cool. When i crush your father under my 4wd while doing 95 in a 50 stoned off this planet? That's cool too? By your logic 99% of the folks in africa that grow up in hell like conditions, with barely enough food to survive, they should be excused for murder cause they didn't have what you and i have? Or perhaps you imply that people from goode families and well to do homes don't kill maim and rape? Seriously, get you head out of your behind. Some people are plain fraked up, and they'd do the same kind of crap regardless. Someone here also said the drug dealers should be charged with murder if we let these guys off due to being intoxicated... I say we hang the ducking lot of them. Been a fair while since we had a good lynching party and i say we're well overdue in that department. ^ 17 years is a long time? I guess it is. But does it really matter? 17 days or 17 years those witches will not change and they ruin more lives when they get out. Let's save the money and burn them, i'll bring the wood someone else can bring the matches :) On the other hand... The ruling was good compared to what we usually get... Remember community service for the exorcist's brown cousins (your clansmen prefect?) And the 3 months for killing the 78 year old indian guy... Stop your whining and look at the real work chris, it ain't no fairytale. It's a hellhole. Being nice and forgiving doesn't keep the streets clean, it takes and iron fist, prisons akin to pigfarms and a noose to sort crime out. Pardon my spelling errors, and if some words look out of place use your imagination. :) Hello Cato, thanks for taking the time to reply. Awesome.. J It’s a serious topic, so I’m serious about it! Of course it would be your fault, your free choice of will, and you receive the consequences of your actions. But there are reasons behind any motion of any person, which people disregard because they are short sighted and biased. I would wonder why you did it and want to find out, because a reason can reveal an understanding and lift clouds of judgment that blind people. I don’t expect you, or many to understand that. It’s not a perception many have. Cool? Where did you get that from exactly? If they have barely enough food to survive, I doubt by your logic that they would have enough energy or motivation to kill another for no reason at all… and even with a reason, such communities dwell on what they have, and not what they don’t have. There is an unlikelihood in such circumstances that ‘good’ families; meaning those that have been brought up with morals, values and standards, would not maim or rape people. But it happens. So I suppose you say that the ‘bad’ families and bad to do homes kill, maim and rape people? If my head was in my behind, my points of view would be clouded, which is incorrect. Perhaps you need to reconsider that statement, and not be so rude. If you cannot be civil and discuss a topic sensibly, don’t bother. It obviously shows a lack of intelligence in this discussion on your part. Why are people fraked up? They do not appear from a puff of smoke. There are reasons behind such. That is your opinion about killing people, but its still murder. No matter what reason you have for killing another. I’m not sure; perhaps you should stick yourself in a cell for 17 years, and tell me afterwards if it mattered. I’ll ignore the other several comments. It’s not a fairytale, I completely understand that, but thank you for pointing that out. That world has it’s many issues, yes. I did not say there should not be consequences, and forgiving someone doesn’t mean they do not receive the consequences of their actions. Good of you to share your thoughts. J Are you sure we are not talking about religion here? Put "religion" in place of the italicised words and voila - you make sense. We’re not talking about religion here, nor are you specific as that to what religion is. It is a number of different things. But, I assume from where you are coming from, removing all traces of faith, including evolution, or nothing, which of course is a faith because you believe there is nothing.. Remove Religion and keep alcohol and drugs? That is certainly a new aspect I never thought of, but I don’t quite agree on the comparisons and the different ‘damages’ either do. I imagine if that happened, you would have no morals what so ever, standards or values, which whether you agree or not, is what we base everything from. Yes, its called 'calling it how it is, no wishy washy crap'. I don't think you would make a good judge in the High Court. Oh well, we've all got our different plans and purposes I suppose.	Chris09 (15218)
840949	2009-12-22 07:45:00	Rob would be a hanging judge I reckon.	prefect (6291)
840950	2009-12-22 17:14:00	Rob would be a hanging judge I reckon. Yep, we sure need a few of those these days!! Ken :clap	kenj (9738)
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