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| Thread ID: 105978 | 2009-12-21 01:14:00 | What to test drive? | beetle (243) | PC World Chat |
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| 841713 | 2009-12-21 04:27:00 | Toyota Rav 4. Cheapish to run, low depreciation, and very reliable. Cheap to maintain and service and cheap parts. The current generation (which you can get for around 20k second hand) is also large,with ESP and all the other features you want. | robbyp (2751) | ||
| 841714 | 2009-12-22 05:04:00 | Aww cmon, they aren't that bad are they? :dogeye: Joe, I don't believe for a minute that a 4L V8 will get 22MPG around town. The 4 Liter is a straight six. I think it's still the smallest engine Jeep offers here. Around town 22MPG? Maybe not but freeway-wise, yes they get better than that. My full sized K5 Blazer (http:) and HERE (lh6.ggpht.com) with a 5.7 Liter stroked to 383 CI/6.3 Liter gets 26 MPG on the freeways and (shamefully) about 13 around town. It beats my 2.6 Liter Isuzu Amigo (lh4.ggpht.com) on the freeways, but the trade off is that the Isuzu gets much better lower speed mileage. What youse guys don't understand is that the US is a commuting country, and all my vehicles have "average" miles on their odometers. The wife's 2002 Chevy Astro (lh5.ggpht.com) (in background) has 212,500 miles/341,985KM, and that's a middle-mileage reading for that vintage vehicle. My 1989 Isuzu has 332,300 Miles/534,785 KM, and the K5 Chevy Blazer has 189,350 Miles/304,729 KM on it. I have no idea how many miles the 1970 F-100 Ford pickup has as the odometer was broken when I got it - but it appears to have well over 200,00 Miles/304729 KM on it for sure. I just came back from a road trip over 3,500 miles (5632.704 km) driving the Isuzu and that's not a very distant trip at all. I went from here to Salt Lake City (Smog Lake City to me!) and then to Missoula Montana to see my son, and drove back through Salt Lake City back to here again in less that a week with time spent at both destinations. We cannot drive a whiz-bang toy engined car on distances like that. Even most working commuters go over 100 miles to work and then 100 miles back again every day. That's 161 Kilometers each way. The current economy is forcing commuters to go over double that distance for a 9-to-5 job now too - if they want a job. I think I'll post a few interior shots of the new place I just decorated: Pix 1 (lh4.ggpht.com) Pix 2 (lh3.ggpht.com) Pix 3 (http:) Pix 4 (lh3.ggpht.com) Pix 5 (lh5.ggpht.com) Pix 6 w/stepson David (lh4.ggpht.com) Pix 7 My Isuzu last year (http:) |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 841715 | 2009-12-22 05:10:00 | 1996 Jeep Cherokee 4WD . . . . . . . . . . . . . fueleconomy . gov/feg/noframes/13204 . shtml" target="_blank">www . fueleconomy . gov Notice, dear Terry, that the one obvious glaring miss point is that they are saying the 4WD OR the AWD get the same gas mileage . 4-Wheel or All-Wheel Drive They do NOT . AWD sucks gas all the time whilst the 4wd is part time and it makes a great big difference! THAT'S JUST BIASED TREE-HUGGER REPORTING . |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 841716 | 2009-12-22 05:16:00 | Toyota Rav 4. Cheapish to run, low depreciation, and very reliable. Cheap to maintain and service and cheap parts. The current generation (which you can get for around 20k second hand) is also large,with ESP and all the other features you want. PLus they use 'on demand' 4WD, so most of the time they are 2WD |
robbyp (2751) | ||
| 841717 | 2009-12-22 05:21:00 | I'd go for this ca (funzu.com)r, just let the kids lick it and they'll jog wherever they need to go | Morgenmuffel (187) | ||
| 841718 | 2009-12-22 06:40:00 | The 4 Liter is a straight six. I think it's still the smallest engine Jeep offers here. ................... What youse guys don't understand is that the US is a commuting country, and all my vehicles have "average" miles on their odometers. ................................ I just came back from a road trip over 3,500 miles (5632.704 km) driving the Isuzu and that's not a very distant trip at all. I went from here to Salt Lake City (Smog Lake City to me!) and then to Missoula Montana to see my son, and drove back through Salt Lake City back to here again in less that a week with time spent at both destinations. We cannot drive a whiz-bang toy engined car on distances like that. Even most working commuters go over 100 miles to work and then 100 miles back again every day. That's 161 Kilometers each way. The current economy is forcing commuters to go over double that distance for a 9-to-5 job now too - if they want a job. .......................... Well, I don't know, that all may be so, but it goes to illustrate the profligate US way of life, The American Dream, that is going to have a rude awakening, that is about to end.................so what will 'you' do then ?......... By 'you' I mean Americans in general. I mean when you start paying what the Europeans are paying for gasoline, you wouldn't often drive past city limits :lol: "The End of Suburbia: Oil Depletion and the Collapse of the American Dream" "Since World War II North Americans have invested much of their newfound wealth in suburbia. It has promised a sense of space, affordability, family life and upward mobility. As the population of suburban sprawl has exploded in the past 50 years, so too the suburban way of life has become embedded in the American consciousness. Suburbia, and all it promises, has become the American Dream. But as we enter the 21st century, serious questions are beginning to emerge about the sustainability of this way of life. With brutal honesty and a touch of irony, The End of Suburbia explores the American Way of Life and its prospects as the planet approaches a critical era, as global demand for fossil fuels begins to outstrip supply." quicksilverscreen.com |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 841719 | 2009-12-22 06:58:00 | I'll accept your delineation of "me" verses "the rest of the US" . I know it's wasteful and it may just be a way to keep the trench people in the trenches . Buying gas, insurance and losing sleep and driving such long distances costs more than the on-surface obvious . Somehow, since the place is so huge and spread out like it is, it's not fixable with good will or legislation . Perhaps secession is a good answer . Break the place into several districts that are all self-sufficient . Not likely . It's all a vicious plot by "the man" and it isn't likely to go away any time soon . I have a suggestion though - all the retired people (like me) are allowed to move to the suburbs or anywhere else they want to go and all the working drones have to live within - say, 25 miles of their place of employment . I like that idea . Pigs can fly if they achieve enough velocity too . |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 841720 | 2009-12-22 07:41:00 | Take a bus. | prefect (6291) | ||
| 841721 | 2009-12-22 07:45:00 | The 4 Liter is a straight six . I think it's still the smallest engine Jeep offers here . Around town 22MPG? Maybe not but freeway-wise, yes they get better than that . My full sized K5 Blazer ( . ggpht . com/_cRmowvPKcq4/Sx6Wvu1MlzI/AAAAAAAACAU/0g3m1LECgUA/s640/100_5916 . JPG" target="_blank">http:) and HERE ( . ggpht . com/_Zba6mXGkeuA/SM6b3G9vBmI/AAAAAAAAArA/8yVtJjJRckU/K5_Larger_frontview . jpg" target="_blank">lh6 . ggpht . com) with a 5 . 7 Liter stroked to 383 CI/6 . 3 Liter gets 26 MPG on the freeways and (shamefully) about 13 around town . It beats my 2 . 6 Liter Isuzu Amigo ( . ggpht . com/_cRmowvPKcq4/Sx6WuBBpBNI/AAAAAAAACAM/ePiFiXWMajU/s512/100_5924 . JPG" target="_blank">lh4 . ggpht . com) on the freeways, but the trade off is that the Isuzu gets much better lower speed mileage . What youse guys don't understand is that the US is a commuting country, and all my vehicles have "average" miles on their odometers . The wife's 2002 Chevy Astro ( . ggpht . com/_cRmowvPKcq4/Sx6WsUlZ71I/AAAAAAAACAE/cCIbcXm6iw4/s640/100_5923 . JPG" target="_blank">lh5 . ggpht . com) (in background) has 212,500 miles/341,985KM, and that's a middle-mileage reading for that vintage vehicle . My 1989 Isuzu has 332,300 Miles/534,785 KM, and the K5 Chevy Blazer has 189,350 Miles/304,729 KM on it . I have no idea how many miles the 1970 F-100 Ford pickup has as the odometer was broken when I got it - but it appears to have well over 200,00 Miles/304729 KM on it for sure . I just came back from a road trip over 3,500 miles (5632 . 704 km) driving the Isuzu and that's not a very distant trip at all . I went from here to Salt Lake City (Smog Lake City to me!) and then to Missoula Montana to see my son, and drove back through Salt Lake City back to here again in less that a week with time spent at both destinations . We cannot drive a whiz-bang toy engined car on distances like that . Even most working commuters go over 100 miles to work and then 100 miles back again every day . That's 161 Kilometers each way . The current economy is forcing commuters to go over double that distance for a 9-to-5 job now too - if they want a job . I think I'll post a few interior shots of the new place I just decorated: Pix 1 ( . ggpht . com/_cRmowvPKcq4/Sx6Wlq3fuSI/AAAAAAAAB_c/Sb7xIIyWTCw/s512/100_5917 . JPG" target="_blank">lh4 . ggpht . com) Pix 2 ( . ggpht . com/_cRmowvPKcq4/Sx6WmvqS3CI/AAAAAAAAB_k/J00JHMiU-Y0/s640/100_5918 . JPG" target="_blank">lh3 . ggpht . com) Pix 3 ( . ggpht . com/_cRmowvPKcq4/Sx6WoFOva7I/AAAAAAAAB_s/xSO7JamB0yM/s640/100_5919 . JPG" target="_blank">http:) Pix 4 ( . ggpht . com/_cRmowvPKcq4/Sx6Wpjaet3I/AAAAAAAAB_0/H_QuKnzqMSg/s512/100_5920 . JPG" target="_blank">lh3 . ggpht . com) Pix 5 ( . ggpht . com/_cRmowvPKcq4/Sx6Wq5qv8-I/AAAAAAAAB_8/-f249kAmgnI/s640/100_5921 . JPG" target="_blank">lh5 . ggpht . com) Pix 6 w/stepson David ( . ggpht . com/_cRmowvPKcq4/SxFH7Fx2uQI/AAAAAAAAB7o/SuRLboG1xOY/s640/100_5906 . JPG" target="_blank">lh4 . ggpht . com) Pix 7 My Isuzu last year ( . ggpht . com/_Zba6mXGkeuA/SZJPoYWk0WI/AAAAAAAABqo/G--enuNSCLE/s640/100_4657 . JPG" target="_blank">http:) Average English Rep drives 300 to 500 miles every week in a bog standard Holden Vectra 2L for 50 weeks of the year go do the math big engines are not the answer reliability is |
gary67 (56) | ||
| 841722 | 2009-12-22 09:31:00 | Well Joe, at that rate of fuel usage the US will be back in the steam age before you know it. Those are the attitudes that are making the rest of the world lose respect for the US of A. Nobody but nobody need a lump of iron that big to carry them around, whatever the distance, unless they plan on ram-raiding a few Banks along the way to pay for the fuel. Anyway, I get 700km/55 litres around town in my 2.3 Mazda 6 wagon and over 800km/55 litres touring. That's 36/41mpg Imperial or 30/35mpg for those teensy US gallons that only have about 3.75 litres in them. That's probably not good enough long term, but its a whole heap better for the environment that driving whopping great V8s when it isn't really necessary. Cheers Billy 8-{) |
Billy T (70) | ||
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