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Thread ID: 105978	2009-12-21 01:14:00	What to test drive?	beetle (243)	PC World Chat

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841793	2009-12-31 03:08:00	In high school - I worked at one of the super discount steak emporiums (The Sizzler, Inc) and they were always busy. I asked the boss why the place was always cooking and he said (famous words to never forget) : "People will drive 20 miles for a cheap steak". I've never forgotten that. That's the feeling I have to Lube-N-Tune and places of their ilk. Rip-offs with cheap oil (usually Pennzoil or Quaker State) and toilet paper filters.	SurferJoe46 (51)
841794	2009-12-31 03:17:00	Estima 3 litre is a much better vehicle, the 2.4 is underpowered. The 2.4s have a more useful seat layout though. Don't go near a diesel. A family member has the 2.4L Estima (imported 2nd hand, 2001 model, had done about 30k when purchased 5 years ago), and it has plenty of power when you need it - can comfortably overtake going uphill without much effort. It's also remarkably fuel efficient - they were getting close to 10L/100km when carrying 2-3 passengers and driving economically.	somebody (208)
841795	2009-12-31 04:35:00	eeeew there should be a law against having such hideous looking people movers on the road like the Estima, they need to come with a paper bag for your head lol	Battleneter2 (9361)
841796	2010-01-01 22:10:00	Comments on Ford Escape hmmmmmmmm So many cars out there to look at.........!:horrified beetle :)	beetle (243)
841797	2010-01-01 22:44:00	Comments on Ford Escape hmmmmmmmm So many cars out there to look at.........!:horrified beetle :) Get a black one, add HUGE chrome mags and roll up to the mongrel mob hq in your area. You'll be welcomed with open arms! ....but seriously, I drove one once, it seemed really 'sloppy' in its handling if you know what i mean.	pine-o-cleen (2955)
841798	2010-01-02 07:08:00	Get a black one, add HUGE chrome mags and roll up to the mongrel mob hq in your area. You'll be welcomed with open arms! ....but seriously, I drove one once, it seemed really 'sloppy' in its handling if you know what i mean. I think you're thinking of the Ford Explorer ('Exploder'), which is a huge/heavy/badly unbalanced(top-heavy) V8 powered American-sourced 4wd tank, a dangerous vehicle at any speed (quoting Ralph Nader :eek:; the yanks found these rolled over quite easily (http://www.fordexplorerrollover.com/) :waughh:), please don't even consider those Beetle. The Escape is ok, being based on the Mazda Tribute, V6 4wd, like a bigger Rav4.	feersumendjinn (64)
841799	2010-01-02 17:19:00	I think you're thinking of the Ford Explorer ('Exploder'), which is a huge/heavy/badly unbalanced(top-heavy) V8 powered American-sourced 4wd tank, a dangerous vehicle at any speed (quoting Ralph Nader :eek:; the yanks found these rolled over quite easily (http://www . fordexplorerrollover . com/) :waughh:), please don't even consider those Beetle . The Escape is ok, being based on the Mazda Tribute, V6 4wd, like a bigger Rav4 . The Mazda/Ford bedpartners situation has brought a lot of junk to the owners of these bastardized vehicles . Mazda crawled into bed with Ford, divorced them and remarried years later and all the time the Mazda influence proved to be a bad idea ultimately to Ford . Yes - the Exploders would spontaneously flip over in your driveway during the night and you'd find it in that condition the next morning - and DRIVING them to me always felt like riding a unicycle down a culverted road on a flat tire . "Vague and unresponsive" was always the byword in the steering and braking response - YES they sucked royally! They also had smaller engines and the V8 was not always in that particular vehicle . I personally eschew all things Ford until I find a classic - which puts vehicles pre-1970 or so - as an example - in my area of interest . Mazda - alone and with minimal (pre-)Ford design influence, has always been a tough little vehicle and close behind Honda and Toyota for quality and owner appreciation . There were some Mazda "Hardbody" pickups that had seriously bad transmission problems with severe bearing failures, and although THAT transmission design is buried deeply in the archives of Mazda's legacy, there are still harbingers and ghosts of that mindset by Mazda engineers in current models . Personally I would not want my wife to buy one - in a divorce, well maybe it would be a just comeuppance, but for someone I even slightly LIKED I'd say don't consider it . In a casual and perhaps tongue-in-cheek observation by me - most vehicles that are spelled with the first letter "M" are expensive to buy, maintain and repair . Parts are ridiculously expensive and that's just plain mean by my reasoning . Of course, your results may vary and I am speaking of US-based owners-responses and from the experiences when I was a full-time mechanic working on these vehicles for a living . Ford and Mazda and a lot of others fed my children, paid for my homes and vehicles and kept me from needing income assistance all those years . Again - your results MAY vary .	SurferJoe46 (51)
841800	2010-01-02 20:25:00	Never heard a bad comment on Mazdas in my 37 years as a mechanic until seen stuff written by yank here. If explorers are so bad bad why are there so many of them on the road? the public aren't stupid they get wind of a lemon car like Edsel and Marina and dont buy them.	prefect (6291)
841801	2010-01-02 20:51:00	Never heard a bad comment on Mazdas in my 37 years as a mechanic until seen stuff written by yank here . If explorers are so bad bad why are there so many of them on the road? the public aren't stupid they get wind of a lemon car like Edsel and Marina and dont buy them . Well - real world here - there are many unhappy idiots then in the US who hate Mazda . Ford had a neat system of getting junk vehicles into the hands of a lot of ignorant customers here in the US . Sorry that the logic defies you . It was called: "Ford Finance" whereby you could get a "Zero Cash-Down/Catch Me When You Can" financing . Sign on the dotted line - drive off in a new Ford today! Ford went broke with that - but they buoyed it up a while by getting into home financing and vehicle insurance . It finally sunk when the real estate market tanked and Ford lost it's shirt with negative cash flow and customers who had their vehicles parked in the back lots at the dealers waiting for parts that were never coming to be installed by mechanics who weren't getting paid and the customers stopped making payments when they couldn't drive their still-financed vehicles . It warms the cockles of my heart to know that Upsidedown Land was not sucked into such an illogical and criminally incompetent sales technique and all their Mazda/Fords run all the time, every time and don't spontaneously fall over in their parkways . I am also glad - no, make that "thrilled" - that you (not the collective) can see so clearly through these non problems that (obviously) the US market has overblown and you are so satisfied with our second and third rate cast offs and mechanical abortions . Americans appreciate your sacrifices . No - really, they do! PS: How's that Edsel running for ya!?!	SurferJoe46 (51)
841802	2010-01-02 23:13:00	Well - real world here - there are many unhappy idiots then in the US who hate Mazda . Ford had a neat system of getting junk vehicles into the hands of a lot of ignorant customers [/I] Large wobbly SUV's and 500KG of chrome on the front has been what Americans have been buying for the past 10 years . Mazda's influence on Ford was that they COULD make sensible sized quality cars (like other Jap manufactures) in there line-up and make a profit out of them . Ford is the only US manufacturer that didnt need taxpayer charity recently, they must have been doing something right! . In this part of the world and Europe, US cars are seen to be ok in a straight line, but forgod sakes don't try and corner in one, hence boring sporting events like Nascar lol .	Battleneter2 (9361)
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