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Thread ID: 106080	2009-12-25 05:21:00	Have you noticed . . .	Twelvevolts (5457)	PC World Chat

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842982	2009-12-26 19:29:00	Probably lives in a well to do area of Wellington and is isolated from crime. Prosecutors would live in a walled house with an electric gate and intercom. I doubt you could call Johnsonville a well to do part of town, and as I said previously I have been burgled and the Police caught the offenders. I got reparation and they did community service, and we all got to meet them in a conference with all victims and tell them what we thought of them. It all worked well and as far as I know neither offender has reoffended. But as fate would have it, my son was assaulted last night and I've just got back from picking him up at the hospital, a few stitches but thankfully he is otherwise alright. Looks like he got assaulted by some vigilante type who mistook him for someone who had damaged his car a few weeks earlier. The Police were called and have the guy, so it will be interesting to see what happens next but as it is an unprovoked assault, let's hope Garth and company don't swan in and get the guy off. So that's what happens when you take the law into your own hands.	Twelvevolts (5457)
842983	2009-12-26 19:33:00	And then claim all is well in the world. It is all on par with not liking euthanasia,we can't accept there is a time to go and includes removing these thugs and low life's. I never claimed all is well in the world, I actually claimed the solutions proposed by people like you are contributing to the problem not solving it.	Twelvevolts (5457)
842984	2009-12-26 19:42:00	I actually claimed the solutions proposed by people like you are contributing to the problem not solving it. Which is the view of most on here,so where does that get us.? As the man said,never the twain shall meet.	Cicero (40)
842985	2009-12-26 21:06:00	Some claims have no chance of being recognised, let alone ratified.	R2x1 (4628)
842986	2009-12-26 21:45:00	How can our views contribute when our views are not in action?	rob_on_guitar (4196)
842987	2009-12-26 22:29:00	How can our views contribute when our views are not in action? Our views may help us think we are not alone.	Cicero (40)
842988	2009-12-26 22:51:00	I might start getting blurry vision after bbq lunch today I think. good times!	rob_on_guitar (4196)
842989	2009-12-27 00:51:00	We have two generations of lawlessness created by the systems you support to counter act, It will take two generations and suitable polices to address the situation that has been created . More power to parents . More power to the community . More power to the police More power to the schools . More power to the victims More power to the courts . Less power for the criminal . Precisely . The core problem is that repeat violent/sexual offenders have the same rights as their victims, and people in general, for example privacy rights, a right to unlimited access to legal aid which is entirely fair for a first or second offence but becaomes a travesty by the time 100 plus convictions have totalled up . This sitation has arisen over decades, arising from the foolish idea that all should be treated as equal regardless of their behaviour and have equal rights . Only when that core assumption changes will we truly start making large scale progress . And both National and Labour governments have been equally at fault here . This is not an issue where a race based approach is constructive, however, and on that count I would agree with twelvevolts . Maori my feature in prison stats but they also loom large in victim stats too Regards Peter	laworder (12738)
842990	2009-12-27 00:57:00	If the deterrent isn't working no matter the severity then the next best option is to remove them from the community for as long as possible, whats so hard to understand about that? You think the communities should be made to suffer the actions of the criminals?, or that the criminals should suffer for their actions? Straight up, which group in your opinion deserve to suffer? Exactly, Metla has gotten to the heart of what sentencing needs to focus on - not punishment, not deterrence, (as you will only ever deter some of the offenders some of the time), but INCAPACITATION . Getting repeat violent/ sexual offenders out of circulation until they are no longer a threat to society . For some that may be 60 years plus . Expensive, but still cheaper then letting them out to reoffend again and again, doing immense damage to a number of victims and ending up spending almost as long in prison anyway . Yes, we also need to put resources into rehabilitation, but this needs to be focused on first/second offenders, not wasted on psychopaths and paedophiles who will never change anyway Regards Peter	laworder (12738)
842991	2009-12-27 01:05:00	But as fate would have it, my son was assaulted last night and I've just got back from picking him up at the hospital, a few stitches but thankfully he is otherwise alright . Looks like he got assaulted by some vigilante type who mistook him for someone who had damaged his car a few weeks earlier . The Police were called and have the guy, so it will be interesting to see what happens next but as it is an unprovoked assault, let's hope Garth and company don't swan in and get the guy off . So that's what happens when you take the law into your own hands . I hope that any damn fool who is so stupid as to assault some innocent person without making sure that they have the right target feels the full force of the law . . . which in this country will probably not amoiunt to a great deal :-( But the desire for people to take the law into their own hands only arises in the fisrt place because the system is failing them . If people feel that they will get real satisfaction from the justice system, in that the offenders are dealt with harshly and removed from society where appropriate then they will not feel they have to resort to vigilantism . Which by the way I happen to think is a very bad thing because of the probablity of exactly this kind of mistargetting Regards Peter	laworder (12738)
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