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Thread ID: 106080	2009-12-25 05:21:00	Have you noticed . . .	Twelvevolts (5457)	PC World Chat

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842962	2009-12-25 21:13:00	yes, i agree. Alot of what happens today though contradicts that though.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
842963	2009-12-25 21:22:00	I hope Garth McVicar of the Sensible Sentencing Trust gets a knighthood. How do you nominate people for a knighthood? Can we start an online petition? If it wasn't for him, crooks would still be getting slap with a wet bus ticket sentences for violent crimes. He has stood up to liberal spineless judges who have no idea what real crime is because nothing happens to them in the rich areas of our cities where they live they are totally isolated. Judges now have to think what the public think when sentencing there have been a few good sentences lately but we still have idiot judges which need firing by minister of justice. We all know who are the perpetrators of most of the violent crime in NZ but are not allowed to mention it because we are called racist. We are no different from the USA/UK in this respect. Gee I've noticed how well it is all working with these tougher sentences, McMinto has got crime on the run.	Twelvevolts (5457)
842964	2009-12-25 21:31:00	Personally I don't have any issue with people pointing out the race of an offender or group of offenders although I equally don't see what relevence it has to the crime or the victim. However, I'm talking about the people on here who make statements about exterminating a whole race. Making dopey statements like "if you like murdering drug pushing rapists who have specific skin color" might not be in that category, however I'm guessing someone who would write that views the world in terms of skin colour, whereas for my part I wouldn't like these murdering drug pushing rapists whatever colour they were.	Twelvevolts (5457)
842965	2009-12-25 21:31:00	Gee I've noticed how well it is all working with these tougher sentences, McMinto has got crime on the run. We have two generations of lawlessness created by the systems you support to counter act, It will take two generations and suitable polices to address the situation that has been created. More power to parents. More power to the community. More power to the police More power to the schools. More power to the victims More power to the courts. Less power for the criminal.	Metla (12)
842966	2009-12-25 21:46:00	Making dopey statements like "if you like murdering drug pushing rapists who have specific skin color" might not be in that category, however I'm guessing someone who would write that views the world in terms of skin colour, whereas for my part I wouldn't like these murdering drug pushing rapists whatever colour they were. It isn't dopey, just you read it that way when you are the one saying people here are creating racist hysteria, then you are only picking out little bits and pieces and taking them out of context. Doing that alone is bound to start yet another feeble interwebs argument which lets face it, is pathetic, but happens If you look hard enough things will be racist, un-pc or somehow offensive. You can say your piece but can't expect everyone to agree. But like you I dont really care what people say	rob_on_guitar (4196)
842967	2009-12-25 21:50:00	It isn't dopey, just you read it that way when you are the one saying people here are creating racist hysteria, then you are only picking out little bits and pieces and taking them out of context. Doing that alone is bound to start yet another feeble interwebs argument which lets face it, is pathetic, but happens If you look hard enough things will be racist, un-pc or somehow offensive. You can say your piece but can't expect everyone to agree. But like you I dont really care what people say And your point is?	Cicero (40)
842968	2009-12-25 22:09:00	just got sick of my own voice so i stopped :lol:	rob_on_guitar (4196)
842969	2009-12-26 07:02:00	We have two generations of lawlessness created by the systems you support to counter act, It will take two generations and suitable polices to address the situation that has been created. More power to parents. More power to the community. More power to the police More power to the schools. More power to the victims More power to the courts. Less power for the criminal. More power indeed, but very convenient that your policies will take two generations to work so we can't test them (other than to see the failure of them too date). But we have the SST confirmation already that a death penalty doesn't work and therefore deterrence doesn't work, and that sentencing depends on who you are and not what you did. New Zealand is a fairly safe country and although the SST does a fair job of creating a fear of crime, most people aren't at a lot of risk of crime although tragically as in every country, we have cases of nutters who aren't going to respect the law whatever the sentence is, the problem being there are likely to be more of them if you follow SST policies.	Twelvevolts (5457)
842970	2009-12-26 07:27:00	If the deterrent isn't working no matter the severity then the next best option is to remove them from the community for as long as possible, whats so hard to understand about that? You think the communities should be made to suffer the actions of the criminals?, or that the criminals should suffer for their actions? Straight up, which group in your opinion deserve to suffer?	Metla (12)
842971	2009-12-26 08:24:00	If the deterrent isn't working no matter the severity then the next best option is to remove them from the community for as long as possible, whats so hard to understand about that? You think the communities should be made to suffer the actions of the criminals?, or that the criminals should suffer for their actions? Straight up, which group in your opinion deserve to suffer? Indeed. Death penalty removes the evil from society and therefore society is also not penalised financially in the long run. Besides, who really wants to have the knowledge that some callous murderer and/or rapist is living off your own wallet? Well, yours, your friends', family's relatives', neighbours'.....I'd rather have the knowledge that my money is used to pay for bullets for such criminals.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
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