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Thread ID: 106080	2009-12-25 05:21:00	Have you noticed . . .	Twelvevolts (5457)	PC World Chat

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843042	2009-12-28 07:00:00	Also parenting skills should be taught in school. All well and good but if it is the PC brigade doing the teaching I can't see much improvement.	mikebartnz (21)
843043	2009-12-28 07:11:00	All well and good but if it is the PC brigade doing the teaching I can't see much improvement. Agreed.	Sweep (90)
843044	2009-12-28 08:04:00	Oh yes, just because stealing a newspaper is right up there with murdering an innocent.:rolleyes: Sure, I could have worded my point better but to counter it with your comment is just dumb and an invitation to controversy. You know full well I wouldn't want death for small things like that. Or jail, so don't play that card. Has it ever occurred to you that the people making the laws also have to think about it and word things carefully. Clearly you get carried away with yourself and whilst I didn't expect even you would murder people for a newspaper, fact is you rant on about the death penalty persistently so we must assume you favour killing people (which even your spiritual mentor doesn't agree with) and from your own writing you favour it for fairly minor crimes. I think you supported murdering a teenager for putting graffiti on a wall, how is that much different than a newspaper theft?	Twelvevolts (5457)
843045	2009-12-28 08:09:00	Go to bed now and maybe have a better day tomorrow. :rolleyes::sleep	Richard (739)
843046	2009-12-28 08:11:00	No, in fact it was not criminal behaviour. It was a dispute over a deal which the banks were led to believe was lawful. In the end the banks had to pay 80% of the tax owed. IT WAS NOT A CRIMINAL ACT. You seem to confuse unethical behaviour with criminal behaviour. Get that right. Are you about 12? It's straight forward really, the bank tried to get one over on the IRD and the IRD won. No one is going to criminal court and no offence has been committed as far as I've heard. It's called capitalism, love it or loath it it is the best system we've got. As for gullible investors - you take your chances on high paying schemes and you lose, well don't blame the guy who ran the scheme. If he committed fraud well fair enough bring in the Police or Serious Fraud office, but losing money doesn't mean a crime was committed. People were either greedy or poorly advised about investments prior to the economic downturn, they should take it on the chin and move on.	Twelvevolts (5457)
843047	2009-12-28 08:12:00	Has it ever occurred to you that the people making the laws also have to think about it and word thing carefully...blah x3 Has it occurred to you making laws is not my job? This is a mere discussion, not a law-making session. Who's getting carried away now? ;)	qazwsxokmijn (102)
843048	2009-12-28 08:23:00	You may think it is relatively safe but it isn't nearly as safe as it used to be and you need to ask yourself why that is. Well when was it safer and what is your theory about why? Garth Mc Vicar says it was 1951, six years after a World War that killed a sizable portion of the male population.	Twelvevolts (5457)
843049	2009-12-28 08:26:00	Has it occurred to you making laws is not my job? This is a mere discussion, not a law-making session. Who's getting carried away now? ;) If you support the death penalty then why? It isn't a deterrent, even the SST acknowledge that and innocent people to get convicted of murder, we know that from the large number getting cleared by DNA evidence. So why would you want to have the death penalty?	Twelvevolts (5457)
843050	2009-12-28 08:32:00	If you support the death penalty then why? It isn't a deterrent, even the SST acknowledge that and innocent people to get convicted of murder, we know that from the large number getting cleared by DNA evidence. So why would you want to have the death penalty? Back in post 55 I said this:= "I think we agree that crime is a problem. What you have not said is how society should fix the problem in your view. So what is your solution? How can we make this country safer than it is now?" You have conveniently chosen not to reply. Can I assume you have no solution and it is easier to criticise others for their input than to offer a viable alternative?	Sweep (90)
843051	2009-12-28 08:41:00	That is a good question . And to answer it we perhaps need to take a look at places where trends have been in the opposite direction, which is why I suggested New York earlier . New York did indeed have a horrendous murder rate more than three times ours not so many years ago . (Which would account for twelve volts statement to that effect earlier - his stats WERE accurate, but just not up to date) . And other crime was absolutely rampant . New York was in short a hellhole . That changed, and rapidly, starting in the early to mid 1990's . The murder rate has now come down by well over 60% on 1990's levels (maybe more now, I must check) . Other violent crime levels have dropped in line with that more or less . Street crime is now a rarity, and walking around I felt much safer than in Auckland . And I did a lot of walking, including all around every bit of Central Park (intentionally) and three hours walking half the length of Manhatten late on a Saturday night (unintentionally cos I mislaid the subway) Yes, it is still not perfect, they still have crime, just as any society has some crime, but the trend has been in the right direction, and dramatically so . Singapore likewise achieved a similar result over a longer time period from the 50's to the 70's if I recall correctly . Again, we cant cut and paste their model onto NZ, but we can definitely learn some things from them . 2008 figures for New York were 6 . 3 per 100000 . New Zealand murder rate has halved in 20 years according to the New Zealand Herald and on the latest figures I could find sits at about 2 per 100000, but someone may have the latest figures . . nzherald . co . nz/nz/news/article . cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10565563&pnum=1" target="_blank">www . nzherald . co . nz So the country is significantly safer than it was in terms of murders anyway . So looks like we're doing a whole lot better than New York despite what the SST might tell you . Actual crime and fear of crime are of course not the same thing, fear of crime is up here dramatically I suspect due to the SST .	Twelvevolts (5457)
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