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Thread ID: 106080	2009-12-25 05:21:00	Have you noticed . . .	Twelvevolts (5457)	PC World Chat

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843032	2009-12-27 19:54:00	Well a buisness that rips off the ird, can sell there services cheaper because of low overheads, making it harder for competing, complying buisnesses to compete. Tax avoidance I wouldnt call ripping off the IRS, its just an interpretation of the tax laws. Because for several tax periods the IRS didnt collect the banks thought they were ok. Then IRS comes back with a retro tax bill.	prefect (6291)
843033	2009-12-27 19:55:00	Tax avoidance I wouldnt call ripping off the IRS, its just an interpretation of the tax laws. Because for several tax periods the IRS didnt collect the banks thought they were ok. Then IRS comes back with retro tax bill. Not talking about tax avoidance, talking falsifying accounts to pay less tax, which I believe is tax fraud, not avoidance.	plod (107)
843034	2009-12-27 20:03:00	No, in fact it was not criminal behaviour. It was a dispute over a deal which the banks were led to believe was lawful. In the end the banks had to pay 80% of the tax owed. IT WAS NOT A CRIMINAL ACT. You seem to confuse unethical behaviour with criminal behaviour. Get that right. Are you about 12? I'm probably older than you. And try to be polite even to people who nitpick about the difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance. Martynz	martynz (5445)
843035	2009-12-27 20:50:00	I'm probably older than you. And try to be polite even to people who nitpick about the difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance. Martynz First, if it was tax evasion, which is illegal, there would have been a prosecution and a fine. There wasn't. Therefore no criminal act has occurred. The difference between the two acts you refer to is not nitpicking. Try tax evasion for yourself and see. You would need to be 71and a half to be older than me. :p	Richard (739)
843036	2009-12-27 21:07:00	Not many brown faces among that load of shysters. Martynz Mark Bryers of Blue Chip fame?? :rolleyes::rolleyes:	Richard (739)
843037	2009-12-27 21:11:00	Mark Bryers of Blue Chip fame?? :rolleyes::rolleyes: I remember a Georgina Byers,any relation?	Cicero (40)
843038	2009-12-28 00:29:00	I agree that the parents should be tried right alongside the kids. As it is NZ has massive resources aimed at young persons and the crimes they commit, all of which are a series of trying to deal with them before they get classified as adults and are given adult penalties. When they reach this age they get a clean slate, then as they continue offending they are once again bombarded with methods to get them to behave without locking them up. Then then have to either continually break lots of small laws or a great big fat one in order to get locked up, and still people complain that society is in the wrong. Yeah, because we pay for everything, Own stuff they can steal, and supply grand parents for them to rob, beat ,rape and kill. **** em, A bullet in the head and a watery grave is what they deserve. Part of the problem with young offenders is that there is no shame in what they have done so they never learn the lessons they need to. I sometimes think the old stocks wouldn't be a silly idea.	mikebartnz (21)
843039	2009-12-28 00:31:00	New Zealand is relatively safe, do you dispute that? No one said crime is ok - you made that bit up. You may think it is relatively safe but it isn't nearly as safe as it used to be and you need to ask yourself why that is.	mikebartnz (21)
843040	2009-12-28 00:32:00	Also parenting skills should be taught in school.	Sweep (90)
843041	2009-12-28 00:47:00	You may think it is relatively safe but it isn't nearly as safe as it used to be and you need to ask yourself why that is. That is a good question. And to answer it we perhaps need to take a look at places where trends have been in the opposite direction, which is why I suggested New York earlier. New York did indeed have a horrendous murder rate more than three times ours not so many years ago. (Which would account for twelve volts statement to that effect earlier - his stats WERE accurate, but just not up to date). And other crime was absolutely rampant. New York was in short a hellhole. That changed, and rapidly, starting in the early to mid 1990's. The murder rate has now come down by well over 60% on 1990's levels (maybe more now, I must check). Other violent crime levels have dropped in line with that more or less. Street crime is now a rarity, and walking around I felt much safer than in Auckland. And I did a lot of walking, including all around every bit of Central Park (intentionally) and three hours walking half the length of Manhatten late on a Saturday night (unintentionally cos I mislaid the subway) Yes, it is still not perfect, they still have crime, just as any society has some crime, but the trend has been in the right direction, and dramatically so. Singapore likewise achieved a similar result over a longer time period from the 50's to the 70's if I recall correctly. Again, we cant cut and paste their model onto NZ, but we can definitely learn some things from them.	laworder (12738)
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