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Thread ID: 106253	2010-01-02 20:56:00	This is why the welfare state needs to go...	somebody (208)	PC World Chat

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844885	2010-01-02 20:56:00	It's people like this who prove just why the welfare system needs a major overhaul. www.stuff.co.nz Cellphones, internet access, and magazine subscriptions are luxury items - if you can't afford them, you don't get them. It's that simple. If plenty of low income families with both parents working long hours to make ends meet can budget wisely, and forgo luxuries like these to pay for food and clothing, why can't this worthless leach who has been living off the taxpayer for half a decade.	somebody (208)
844886	2010-01-02 21:06:00	FTA: Foster, who has been on a sickness benefit since 2004, and an invalid's benefit since 2007, applied for assistance to buy a pair of shoes and the pullover in August 2007. and then we have Because he had been representing himself, the cases had cost him nothing except "the odd $11 train fare". so this reads to me that he can show up to court, representing himself, talking in court, standing up in court, getting to and from court... is always hard to make comment without hearing the full story but it looks like he is fit to work... why is he on invalid's benefit?	robsonde (120)
844887	2010-01-02 21:14:00	why is he on invalid's benefit? A very good question - it seems with his skills, he could be a lawyer!	somebody (208)
844888	2010-01-02 21:20:00	He obviously likes expensive shoes. So do I but about three years ago I bought a pair of shoes from Dowsons because they had side zips making them easier to get on and off. I wanted them as slippers in the house. They have been in constant use since - gardening - walking - driving - in house - and all that time have been most comfortable. I rarely wear any other shoes. The internal lining is just starting to show wear but none obvious elsewhere. Cost just $18 So why he feels I and others should subsidize him, I know not.	Thomas01 (317)
844889	2010-01-02 21:35:00	Cellphones, internet access, and magazine subscriptions are luxury items - if you can't afford them, you don't get them. this worthless leach As part of the earlier appeal, the Social Security Appeal Authority questioned items listed in Foster's domestic budget, including $30 for cellphone, internet and phone line at his shared accommodation. I was of two minds about this. Yes he is right, they DON'T provide enough to live on and don't care about additional costs you may get. Internet and a $30 a month cellphone? So what, it's common now........... But I do agree he could have bought his items, especially the shoes somewhere else. He has the internet, how about Trademe if not the suggested op shop. Asforthestupidtitle"This is why the welfare state needs to go... " blameallbeneficiariesforthesinsofone.Ofcourse.BTWb loodykeyboardjustcrappedout,spacebar.	pctek (84)
844890	2010-01-02 21:50:00	apart from my work boots, my entire shoe collection wouldn't even be worth $100	plod (107)
844891	2010-01-02 21:54:00	OT I appear to have killed my keyboard. Bugger. Small accident with the teacup this morning, I thought the dismantling and cleaning worked. Not. Sigh. Time for a new one then, having to use one of the crappy boring spares. Ick. Shoes - I own 3. Some chinese shop jandals I got on my trip to Aucks. A pair of sneakers I got for $2 at the last local garage sale and some mens boots I bought years ago at Farmers.	pctek (84)
844892	2010-01-02 22:01:00	As part of the earlier appeal, the Social Security Appeal Authority questioned items listed in Foster's domestic budget, including $30 for cellphone, internet and phone line at his shared accommodation . I was of two minds about this . Yes he is right, they DON'T provide enough to live on and don't care about additional costs you may get . Internet and a $30 a month cellphone? So what, it's common now . . . . . . . . . . . But I do agree he could have bought his items, especially the shoes somewhere else . He has the internet, how about Trademe if not the suggested op shop . Asforthestupidtitle " This is why the welfare state needs to go . . . " blameallbeneficiariesforthesinsofone . Ofcourse . BTWb loodykeyboardjustcrappedout,spacebar . The point of social welfare is to provide the necessities of life - food, shelter, clothing - when people fall on hard times, and need a safety net to help them get back on their feet . It should never be a lifestyle choice, and it should never provide luxuries - there are much more important things to spend taxpayer's money on . You can get free internet access at a lot of public libraries . There are public telephones if you need to make a phone call . You can read magazines for free at libraries . This isn't an isolated case - while it is true that there are thousands of legitimate recipients of welfare (such as people who have lost their jobs in the recession, or become disabled after a tragic accident), there are also far too may who have never worked a day in their life, and generations of families who think it's fine to leach money off the hard working taxpayer . The fact that the welfare state has gone well beyond simply providing a safety net to breeding generations of people who have never worked in their life, drawing middle income families into the welfare net, and creating a sense of entitlement is why it needs to go . If you want to keep the safety net, then fine - let's set up a welfare system that does what a welfare system should do, which is to help people through tough times so they don't starve and have to live on the street . The cases which have made it into the media in the last 12 months are just the tip of the iceberg . It's not a case of bashing all beneficiaries because of the actions of a few - it's a $21 . 1billion social, cultural and policy problem that needs to be dealt with .	somebody (208)
844893	2010-01-02 22:13:00	Shoes... I purchased 2 identical pairs of good quality walking shoes about 5 years ago - a month apart. First pair (black) cost $129.99 - liked them so much, I went and asked if they had the same, but brown. The guy said not really, he only had an odd pair, one 9.5 and one at size 9. Someone had stuffed up!.. Out of curiousity I tried them on and found that they fitted perfectly (people often have different sized feet.) I said I would take them and the shop guy gave them to me for $29.99 They have lasted me 5 winters and look to last a few more yet - that is the brown ones. Haven't worn the black ones yet except for a funeral or three. I walk the dog 3-4 kilometres every day and work 4 hours a day driving a mini-van for 7 months of the year. (The other 5 months I wear good quality walking sandals) The shoes previous to these were cheap ($29.99), from the Warehouse and lasted 4 months. Same style of shoe - same useage. Work it out for yourself. Even if I had paid full price for the brown ones, at least 10 years at $260 is only $26 per year. Not saying cheap shoes are bad but I have found this way economical. Except, for my daughters wedding this year I have bought a pair of shiny black shoes... $39.99 from The Warehouse!! Ken :thumbs:	kenj (9738)
844894	2010-01-02 22:30:00	The point of social welfare is to provide the necessities of life - food, shelter, clothing - when people fall on hard times, and need a safety net to help them get back on their feet . It should never be a lifestyle choice, and it should never provide luxuries - there are much more important things to spend taxpayer's money on . You can get free internet access at a lot of public libraries . There are public telephones if you need to make a phone call . You can read magazines for free at libraries . This isn't an isolated case - while it is true that there are thousands of legitimate recipients of welfare (such as people who have lost their jobs in the recession, or become disabled after a tragic accident), there are also far too may who have never worked a day in their life, and generations of families who think it's fine to leach money off the hard working taxpayer . The fact that the welfare state has gone well beyond simply providing a safety net to breeding generations of people who have never worked in their life, drawing middle income families into the welfare net, and creating a sense of entitlement is why it needs to go . If you want to keep the safety net, then fine - let's set up a welfare system that does what a welfare system should do, which is to help people through tough times so they don't starve and have to live on the street . The cases which have made it into the media in the last 12 months are just the tip of the iceberg . It's not a case of bashing all beneficiaries because of the actions of a few - it's a $21 . 1billion social, cultural and policy problem that needs to be dealt with . +1, IMO, I dont think they should be given funds AT ALL . Pay their rent, power etc, give them redeemable vouchers for a supermarket and thats it . . . . NO CASH . . . . I bet you, that would soon shift the lazy buggers!	SolMiester (139)
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