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Thread ID: 106315	2010-01-04 10:48:00	why I am not going to USA...	robsonde (120)	PC World Chat

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845665	2010-01-12 01:53:00	Quite right...I have had a beard for er, around 45 years or so, it is now white so am liable to be mistaken for S.Abu Ben Claus, especially when it hasn't been cut for a while Yours has thirteen years on mine. Walking down a street just before xmas I'm sure this kid in a pram thought I was S.C. going by his reaction.	mikebartnz (21)
845666	2010-01-12 15:39:00	There were Hawks in the W/H for a few terms a while back (remember?) and everyone thought they gave the US a black eye and a fat lip - at the expense of some really bad public relations and the rest of the world's attitude toward the Ugly American . Now that there's a minority there, the White House - the world is/was supposed to feel all warm and fuzzy . This new perceived kindness of and by common US citizens (and ultimately the whole US government by association) had for being so kind and benevolent to a president of color, not to mention a gen-u-wine good guy who was gonna give everybody FOUR chickens in every pot, a servant to cook them and a stable full of SUVs plus a performance sports car . Oh, didn't he say that the whole world was gonna have that too? I forgot . While most presidents promise to work on a problem or two, this guy took on every conceivable social problem from bad tasting water to glowing nuclear waste, closing Gitmo and releasing those poor unhappy and misunderstood non-war prisoners and returning god to his seventh heaven and everything and everyone would be happy again and would love each other and sing Cumbayah, arm-in-arm . Oh - and the US was gonna pay for it too . The wheels fell off his cart as general malaise set in - (not to mention that the economy finally imploded from pouring money out to buy international friends and national opinions) - and unhappiness about his not getting anything actually done is just like when the emperor's clothes which were finally seen in broad daylight . This international hand out was the concept and platform for his (then) unheard-of astronomical voter's approval ratings and ultimately his election - but it has now been seen that sense and sensibility left when Elvis did - and are never gonna be seen during this (and possible the next TWO) administrations when they have to return the nation to a more normal-internal-condition in the aftermath of feel-goodmanship . Too bad for the rest of the world - while they then wait for their next hand-out - since order and definition will become an INTERNAL priority for at least the next 10 or 12 years . The money exporting and food carrying ship is not going to sail again! Now - MY observation ->>>>> The US will go isolationist for a while - and it will be for a long time until things get cleared up on a domestic level - not even mentioning or even thinking on a worldly level . While this is happening - the rest of the humans on the Blue Marble will be 1) bereft of US concern about your abode(s) and lifestyles or lack of either 2) and the US will not even CARE if you all go nuclear or back to rubbing two sticks together to make fire . Did I mention that "O" is gonna be a one-term prez? I'm just reporting the things I hear on the street, read in the papers and generally see in the faces of people who lost their homes, food and income while taxes have gone ballistic and won't EVER consider investing in banks, the stock market or real estate again . The waters on which all this floated for generations has dried up, and there is a new cynicism and deep resentment for the rest of the world as to what the US has done in the past and will likely NOT DO in the foreseeable future . If you are looking for the milk of kindness, the New US is not the cow . Doesn’t matter if hawk or dove in my statement . Needs administration leader hawk or dove with big ones to do what needs, and has to be done, not what will get him/her and mates/buddies reelected . Again current guy "don’t got it" . After gwb any democrat was a shoe in, there was better on offer than what the people got . O for 1 term only, I hope and pray . Fdr was right about several things’, a major of which was “you don’t change administrations in the middle of a big conflict" . Lbj’s admin team went to drunken bum Ricky, the core of the admin didn’t really change . Lbj new that his support of the new South Vietnamese admin was untenable in the long term, and that the other objectives in the war were being achieved, although most of the global public couldn’t, and still refuse, to see this . Lbj new if he went gracefully there would be another double republican presidency that would use the core of his administration, and retain the core objectives of his administration which Ricky did . He said were getting out, and he did, but he didn’t’ cut and run, which it looks like O is trying to do . Gwb had to go, he was most surely the president to do the most damage to the US international image, since at least 1812 . Would have been nice if HE had only served 1 term . Too much of his administration has been, and is being, foolishly destroyed in a liberal lefty bonfire . Will the US go semi Isolationist for a decade or more? Probably . Do I blame them? No . == Gwb lied about the reasons, but it had to be done . If O cuts and runs now, the mess will only get bigger, again . The US/democratic Iraq administration is winning . The US has to stay the distance . The US wasn’t still in Germany in 60, just to keep the Russians at bay . The US has been kicked in the teeth once to often by France . I don’t believe the US will be as isolationist as it was between 1918 and 1940 . I do believe we will see a consolidation to pre, Vietnam close allies and protectorates, plus Japan, Germany, the Philippines, Israel, and a few others, and an expansion of trade with that group . The US understands fair trade without the manipulation of currency, and including equal labour conditions, and rates, along with equal commitment to lower emissions, is necessary and beneficial to all in the group . The US may have come to realize at last, that exporting all the job's, is great for short term company profit growth . It is equally disastrous for internal economic real growth, and the tax take, because those big corporate’s start hiding all that taxable profit off shore . Uncle Sam needs that tax, to help pay for the global police force . Because aint no one else on the planet contributing to that internal account . :)	angry (15305)
845667	2010-01-12 22:39:00	T Too bad for the rest of the world - while they then wait for their next hand-out - since order and definition will become an INTERNAL priority for at least the next 10 or 12 years. The money exporting and food carrying ship is not going to sail again! . Are you talking about aid? Why do most Americans think there country is the most generous in the world?. The US is dead last in the OECD via percent of gross nation income. Sure the US gives the actual highest amount. I am not entirely sure the billions in military aid to Israel is counted and I think it is. Most generous country awards goes to Sweden by a loooooong way over the US lol static.globalissues.org	Battleneter2 (9361)
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