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| Thread ID: 106272 | 2010-01-03 05:04:00 | Tagger Killer To Be Freed | Twelvevolts (5457) | PC World Chat |
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| 845187 | 2010-01-05 06:57:00 | Goodness me ! ! It is a new decade, why can't we all get along in a slightly more civilised fashion? A bit of simple action should allow everyone to be satisfied and occupy the moral high ground. Twelvevolts simply puts a sign on his letterbox announcing that this is a free-tagging area and spray cans are welcome, while Prefect and Cicero could have a sign indicating that taggers body parts will be sold to cover costs. Throughout the land, the taggers can do as they want, while the tagged have the same freedom of choice. Sorry - where did I say I supported tagging? I support an appropriate sentence for it - not an open right to do it. As usual you suppose people who oppose the death penalty to be pro crime in some way - sorry put that's illogical. Community Service cleaning up graffiti would seem to be a better option. |
Twelvevolts (5457) | ||
| 845188 | 2010-01-05 06:59:00 | Helmets save cyclists from head injury and brain damage any research thats says otherwise is rubbish. Although the brain size of cyclists must be brought into question who would ride 1.5 metres from a car doing 100 kph? and breath in their exhaust fumes. Good to know you never let research get in the way of your views - pretty much sums up your approach to crime and punishment as well. I guess you think the Earth is flat as well because your gut feel tells you so. |
Twelvevolts (5457) | ||
| 845189 | 2010-01-05 07:34:00 | I have an inkling the earth is round because when flying I can see the curve of the earth. Some research is just plain wrong and I discount it |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 845190 | 2010-01-05 07:40:00 | Apparently it wasn't a dream. In June 2007, the Norwegian Centre for Transport Research published research noting that: "There is evidence of increased accident risk per cycling-km for cyclists wearing a helmet. In Australia and New Zealand the increase is estimated to be around 14%. The introduction of a bicycle helmet law in these countries has additionally lead to a reduction of cycling-kilometres of 22%. This effect is likely to be larger for adolescents than for adults, and smallest for children." As detailed on this website, mandatory bicycle helmet legislation in the State of Western Australia resulted in cyclist injury increases and cyclist number declines around 30%" www.cycle-helmets.com Thanks for the link. Did you read the full pdf report linked to on that site as I did? Even the above is suspect as words like "estimated" and "likely" mean nothing. |
Sweep (90) | ||
| 845191 | 2010-01-05 09:35:00 | I do not suppose a helmet would have helped here to be fair. home.nzcity.co.nz |
Sweep (90) | ||
| 845192 | 2010-01-05 10:24:00 | Apparently it wasn't a dream. In June 2007, the Norwegian Centre for Transport Research published research noting that: "There is evidence of increased accident risk per cycling-km for cyclists wearing a helmet. In Australia and New Zealand the increase is estimated to be around 14%. The introduction of a bicycle helmet law in these countries has additionally lead to a reduction of cycling-kilometres of 22%. This effect is likely to be larger for adolescents than for adults, and smallest for children." As detailed on this website, mandatory bicycle helmet legislation in the State of Western Australia resulted in cyclist injury increases and cyclist number declines around 30%" www.cycle-helmets.com I know this is off-topic, but .... Yes, some research 'suggests' that wearing helmet puts a cyclist more at risk of an accident. However this can possibly be attributed to motorist attitudes that, if a cyclist is wearing a helmet, he (or she) is 'safe', and the motorist believes they can therefore pass closer to the cyclist, which therefore increases the risk of an accident. I know from personal experience that when I hit the deck in 2007, thanks to a motorist executing a u-turn in front of me, I would not be here, had it not been for the helmet I was wearing. The same can be said for my Tamaki Drive mates. However, the severity of injuries sustained can be greater if the helmet worn is of the more solid design (usually a $$-related design flaw - it is a truism that, with cycling, the more you pay the less you get, material-wise). This more solid design seems to transfer more of the impact energy to the head (and brain) - whereas the more open helmets, with a stiff inner frame, tend to have more 'give' and therefore dissipate the force of the impact. So if anyone is considering taking up cycling, don't buy a $60 helmet unless you think you have a $60 head. The German cyclist death referred to by Sweep is another example of why we should adopt the rule of the road whereby the least vulnerable party to an accident should be held at fault (similar to the "crash-into-the-back-of-another-vehicle,-it's-your-fault" rule). This would have the effect of increasing the space and respect (or fear of hitting someone) with cyclists vs. pedestrians, cars vs. motorcycles/cyclists, and buses/trucks vs. cars. (The exception would be trains, as they are very easy to hear and/or see, cannot change direction and cannot stop in a hurry). The "Rule of Big" should be, if you are bigger than the party you are approaching, you must take care and give them space. At the moment, the unofficial "Rule of Big" works the opposite way - where a cyclist & car#1 are travelling in one direction and car#2 approaches from the opposite direction, car#1 overtaking the cyclist will tend to swerve into the cyclist because there is a perception that car#1 will receive less damage hitting the cyclist than the other car. Which is true. But the meat bag on two wheels will most likely be hospitalised for months, or, worst case, be attending their own funeral. According to the nzcity article Sweep links to, the German cyclist and truck were both sharing the inside lane of a passing lane. It seems the truck did not give the rider sufficient space, possibly because other vehicles were overtaking the truck and he didn't want to lose speed by slowing down so he could overtake the cyclist safely. However this is supposition on my part... When I learned to drive (1975), I was taught to treat cyclists like another car when overtaking and move into the lane over the centreline (or in this case the overtaking lane). What's changed? |
johcar (6283) | ||
| 845193 | 2010-01-05 10:36:00 | Thanks for the link. Did you read the full pdf report linked to on that site as I did? Even the above is suspect as words like "estimated" and "likely" mean nothing. You are likely right - I never claimed it was correct - just that I recalled reading that perspective. Personally I favour freedom of choice with regard helmets - I hardly used a bike since the law came in and it should be my choice to ride without one. |
Twelvevolts (5457) | ||
| 845194 | 2010-01-05 10:37:00 | Very good Johcar. I have driven trucks for years up to about 38 tons with the trailer. Many a time I give way to horse riders. I also stop or slow down for farm animals on a road. It's only consideration for others. |
Sweep (90) | ||
| 845195 | 2010-01-05 11:05:00 | You're a dying breed Sweep! Consideration for others is the absolute key, not only in driving habits, but in life generally!! Just had a look on Streetview ( . google . com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=santoft+rd,+bulls&sll=-36 . 847385,174 . 765735&sspn=0 . 03393,0 . 072956&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Santoft+Rd,+Bulls,+4894,+New+Zealand&ll=-40 . 123372,175 . 313129&spn=0 . 064844,0 . 145912&z=13&layer=c&cbll=-40 . 113653,175 . 331538&panoid=LpiiZfiUtpbuxWQLkwAcIg&cbp=12,113 . 76,,0,19 . 08" target="_blank">maps . google . com)at the accident site, looks flat and pretty open . . . . The accident report might make interesting reading, unfortunately not for the tourist's family . This is the second cycling-related death for the Bulls/Foxton area in the last 6 months that I am aware of!! I heard a news item a month or so ago where a Spanish (?) tourist cancelled a cycle trip around NZ with his family because it was far too dangerous . The trip had been a life-long ambition apparently . Mr Key might have cause to worry about his nationwide cycle-path - if we scare cycling tourists into not coming, there won't be much of a need for a cycle-path! |
johcar (6283) | ||
| 845196 | 2010-01-05 11:29:00 | I will wait and see if the truck driver is charged or not. | Sweep (90) | ||
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