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| Thread ID: 106819 | 2010-01-24 19:55:00 | Tobacco tax could fund fight against diabetes - Turia | pctek (84) | PC World Chat |
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| 851406 | 2010-01-24 23:01:00 | I always knew she was an idiot. You don't tax another group more to help with the funding of something unrelated. The government may want more people to receive the operation as it works out cheaper then trying to treat them later in life for obese-related problems but I digress. T2 diabetes has risen a lot because of obesity (50% of all cases are due to obesity now) and suggestions for reducing the risk in the first place are reducing your trans/saturated fat intake and increasing your exercise. Neither of which are actually end of the world hard to go about, in fact I'd say procrastination/laziness is one of the main reasons obese people get diabetes. Its easy to cook fatty foods and easy not to exercise, how the hell did it end up like this? And this will be for maori's only I suspect. Doubt it, its been in the works for a while now and shes just bought it back into the media light. (As I have said previously, as a cyclist, I would be happy to pay a specific levy, provided the more at risk sports groups are also targetted - golf, for instance, is higher risk than cycling) Fair enough I guess. I had a golf accident 6 years ago and claimed ACC on a head injury (the oh so funny doctor said I had an iron head! Apparently its more likely to have become blind, or an omelet). X-rays, meds, treatment for whiplash and other stuff probably amounted to a bit of dosh, I only know this because its still an ongoing problem and I have to pay for it myself now :D |
trinsic (6945) | ||
| 851407 | 2010-01-24 23:15:00 | One thing for sure you will never stop maoris getting eating crap food, getting fat, drinking and smoking. All the education in the world has very little effect, putting the price of fags up just means their kids miss out more. They wont stop smoking/eating/drinking never till they are on their death bed. How do I come to this conclusion well its watching the polynesians at my work. I offered a bus driver $1000 if he could quit for a year he didnt even make the end of the day before I saw him have a sneaky smoke behind the compressor room. I think the best way isnt a massive tax because addicts will still buy butts but to have a tobacco prescription like the methadone scheme for druggies. Diabetes and smoking are linked together. |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 851408 | 2010-01-25 00:46:00 | Smokers and fat people may get a fair piece of the health budget, but like motorcyclists they are pretty cheap on pensions. | R2x1 (4628) | ||
| 851409 | 2010-01-25 04:55:00 | ... You don't tax another group more to help with the funding of something unrelated. .. Unfortunately this is what happens ALL the time in NZ - it's called the Consolidated Fund. |
decibel (11645) | ||
| 851410 | 2010-01-25 05:34:00 | I was in the USA a few years ago now when there was a pilot program running at one of the major hospitals that did heart operations and the like. Owing to the waiting list / backlog waiting for these specialist operations and bearing in mind that many of them on the list were also overweight to various degree's.........a program was started in which a better diet was given, I remember they mentioned a lot of garlic in the food as one and some very basic exercise undertaken. And the results..........I cannot remember the figures / percentage but it was quite a few, no longer needed operations or not as soon as they had if they hadn't been on the program. Not to be confused with what happens on that weight loss reality program, might have been on NZ TV, Biggest Loser I think it was called. Some people are just on the large size, cannot be helped but then you have those that somehow can afford McDonalds every other day, a packet or two of smokes a day and 15 cans of coke later but don't seem to be able to afford to buy some healthy food. For some people, simple change of diet and even some basic exercise would do them wonders without having to go anywhere near a hospital. |
PinoyKiw (9675) | ||
| 851411 | 2010-01-25 06:45:00 | Rather than the cost of stomach by-pass surgery, why don't they try the simple but effective throat tourniquet? | R2x1 (4628) | ||
| 851412 | 2010-01-25 14:14:00 | If Turia gets this through then I'll be f****d off, smokers pay their way more than enough through taxes (they've just gone up 30c/packet, holiday 20's are $10.30, 25's are $13, if thats not enough well tough), if she wants money for stomach stapling, get it from the right people. Like fat people. That would be some sort of 'isim' though. Smoking is like the eternal scapegoat, if anyone wants money, ah, just chuck more tax on smokes because everyone knows that smokers directly affect the ratio of carrots to possums. |
ubergeek85 (131) | ||
| 851413 | 2010-01-25 19:11:00 | Look at this: www.stuff.co.nz Another MP. Ok she was a bit fat, but hardly enormous. And she had it done? Why did the surgeons even do it? That really is bloody lazy. |
pctek (84) | ||
| 851414 | 2010-01-25 19:27:00 | www.stuff.co.nz Well it seems to be the trendy new thing. A bit fat? We'll give you surgery. |
pctek (84) | ||
| 851415 | 2010-01-25 20:14:00 | Time to get fat and start smoking i think | Gobe1 (6290) | ||
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