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| Thread ID: 107158 | 2010-02-06 19:42:00 | Speedtest | Greg (193) | PC World Chat |
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| 855832 | 2010-02-11 08:44:00 | Telecom are the King of "notoriously" bad ISP's. Add to that they have single handily held Broadband back in NZ for a DECADE in the interests of protecting there own profits as most of us know. Cabinitisation is arguably another way they are STILL playing games as most UCLL NZ ISP's dont have the $$ to install there own equipment meaning users will switch to Telecom. The government haven't fully realised this yet, always seem 5 years behind Telecoms games. The entire unbundling process has not been much more than a media circus. Why do you support Telecom I don't understand? No, wrong! Without the likes of Cabinetization, we'd still all be leeching off a single exchange on ADSL1. In this instance, we have Chorus / Telecom Wholesale who own the cabinets, and they *must* trade at arms-length from Telecom Retail (Xtra). Yes at first it does seem like it's a bad thing, but the thing is that Orcon can still wholesale off Telecom Wholesale at the same price as Telecom Retail does, so there's no difference in the price. Telecom Wholesale makes jack all money on things, there's been over 5 upgrades in the last 10 years to those cabinets. Do you have any idea what ONE of those damn things costs? Over $150,000 EACH for their Whisper Cabinets! They're doing 3600 of them! You do the math on how long that's going to take to repay on ~$15 per-customer per-cabinet per-month. THEN factor in upgrades every two years. What's really ridiculous is the Govt wanting to spend BILLIONS, potentially in the 10s of billions, on yet ANOTHER Fibre rollout. What a waste of money! There's already *so* many of them out there, why add another? Maybe in places where current Fibre / High-speed ADSL aren't available, but not nationwide, and not if it's going to take a whole decade to do the bloody thing. |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 855833 | 2010-02-11 19:32:00 | No, wrong! Without the likes of Cabinetization, we'd still all be leeching off a single exchange on ADSL1. In this instance, we have Chorus / Telecom Wholesale who own the cabinets, and they *must* trade at arms-length from Telecom Retail (Xtra). Yes at first it does seem like it's a bad thing, but the thing is that Orcon can still wholesale off Telecom Wholesale at the same price as Telecom Retail does, so there's no difference in the price. Telecom Wholesale makes jack all money on things, there's been over 5 upgrades in the last 10 years to those cabinets. Do you have any idea what ONE of those damn things costs? Over $150,000 EACH for their Whisper Cabinets! They're doing 3600 of them! You do the math on how long that's going to take to repay on ~$15 per-customer per-cabinet per-month. THEN factor in upgrades every two years. What's really ridiculous is the Govt wanting to spend BILLIONS, potentially in the 10s of billions, on yet ANOTHER Fibre rollout. What a waste of money! There's already *so* many of them out there, why add another? Maybe in places where current Fibre / High-speed ADSL aren't available, but not nationwide, and not if it's going to take a whole decade to do the bloody thing. You have a naive view of things, nothing you said is specifically wrong. I was talking about ISP's putting there own gear on the UCLL not Telecom Wholesale. ISP's simply cant afford to do that in any volume. Unbundling the local loop has done little for NZ internet, Telecom still holds most of the cards with wholesale and data caps with the SCC. Without writing a essay on the topic, Telecom played a hand in shooting down the residential fiber network 10 years ago through Saturn, and over the last 10 years have done nothing but protect there market share (great for the CEO and shareholders). You are looking at the current Telecom smoke and mirrors. The governments plan to deploy Firbre residentially can't come fast enough. I mean what the hell are telecom doing spending money on rubbish DSL anyway? Yep you got it, keeping control of the local loop which includes there wholesale division. I don't support telecom you shouldn't either :) |
Battleneter2 (9361) | ||
| 855834 | 2010-02-11 19:59:00 | I want fiber, copper wire so last century. | prefect (6291) | ||
| 855835 | 2010-02-12 07:44:00 | I tell you what, you give me two good reasons the majority of home users and businesses in NZ (90%+ of which are small businesses) have for Fibre, over say 10m/bit ADSL2+ or VDSL2, and why the billions (Potentially tens of billions) is well spent, instead of utilizing existing infrastructure, such as that offered by Vector, Chorus, Citylink, TelstraClear etc, and I'll concede defeat, and admit you were right. Sound fair? :) Let's not even get in to the fact that access-seekers such as Orcon / Vodafone / whoever still get access to the Cabinets for the same price as Telecom Retail (Xtra) do ;) |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 855836 | 2010-02-12 23:58:00 | No good reasons ? | Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 855837 | 2010-02-13 00:55:00 | I tell you what, you give me two good reasons the majority of home users and businesses in NZ (90%+ of which are small businesses) have for Fibre, over say 10m/bit ADSL2+ or VDSL2, and why the billions (Potentially tens of billions) is well spent, instead of utilizing existing infrastructure, such as that offered by Vector, Chorus, Citylink, TelstraClear etc, and I'll concede defeat, and admit you were right. Sound fair? :) Let's not even get in to the fact that access-seekers such as Orcon / Vodafone / whoever still get access to the Cabinets for the same price as Telecom Retail (Xtra) do ;) The Telecom separation, there is still like only one group of owners (the share holders) or am I actually wrong?. Do the shareholders care which division there dividends come from?. Your talking about inter company charging Telecom wholesale vs retail well if you look past the smoke. Other ISP's have NO realistic choice but to use Telecoms Wholesale or put there own gear on the ULL which is just to expensive. Its like the Southern Cross Cable company, we all know who really has controlling share, on paper they are a private company! To answer your question with a famous quote Once upon a time there was a guy call Bill Gates. He said "No one will need more than 637 kb of memory", see where im going with that? But your half right, with Telecom effectively controlling data charges for all ISP's who needs the extra speed, its to expensive to run our faster connections anyway lol. |
Battleneter2 (9361) | ||
| 855838 | 2010-02-13 01:54:00 | Telecom is a great company. When I build my house on top of the Harbour Bridge I just bought I will be able to see their office | R2x1 (4628) | ||
| 855839 | 2010-02-13 03:31:00 | Yes but they're not suddenly going to get free use of the Govts equipment are they? They're not about to spend billions rolling out fibre just to give it away, so there's the question of "Will it *really* bring the price of broadband down or not?" | Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 855840 | 2010-02-13 03:46:00 | Probably not as it will still be controlled by whichever entity owns it and since it will still be the only one (can't see multiple fibre down my street) then prices will not come down | gary67 (56) | ||
| 855841 | 2010-02-13 04:57:00 | Exactly. I wish it weren't how things were, super cheap broadband at uber-high speeds sounds great, but it's just not realistic.. | Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
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