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Thread ID: 107134	2010-02-05 09:39:00	Ungrateful Foreigners...	Cato (6936)	PC World Chat

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855637	2010-02-05 18:59:00	But you go overseas and see the same thing the other way round. So true PC. It's just that ignorance prevails.	Cicero (40)
855638	2010-02-05 19:30:00	Don't know what it's like now, but if you spoke your schoolboy French in France, no matter how good, they would refuse to understand what you were saying.......even though you knew they had understood....whereas in Germany it was quite different, very much easier to communicate. Maybe the thought patterns were more similar. Quoting beeswax....."Also, NZ'ers don't really speak very good English and have atrocious spelling and grammar (I mark plenty of exams and teach- trust me it's true) so maybe if NZ'ers spoke English better, we'd actually want to speak it to you." ROFL :banana how true...............:)	Terry Porritt (14)
855639	2010-02-05 19:43:00	But you go overseas and see the same thing the other way round. Yep, I was on a tour of Hawaii about 20 years ago. Sitting at the front of the bus was a retired couple from the Waikato. They were so close to the tour guide we could hear everything they said over his mic: "Seeelek, we say Selek in New Zealand" "In New Zealand we do ......(comment about why NZ is better and what we saw was crap)" They got so bad as the day went on we pretended to be Aussies.... On a serious note - When in a new country you don't know all the little social norms that people who are born there have been steeped in from day one. It's scary, people tend to find security and comfort by embracing what they know. My in-laws are Danish and they make a real effort to speak English in front of others. They speak Danish in their home though and for years were spied on by their neighbour who was convinced they were russian spies. Greville	Greville (4929)
855640	2010-02-05 19:46:00	Don't know what it's like now, but if you spoke your schoolboy French in France, no matter how good, they would refuse to understand what you were saying.......even though you knew they had understood....whereas in Germany it was quite different, very much easier to communicate. Maybe the thought patterns were more similar. Quoting beeswax....."Also, NZ'ers don't really speak very good English and have atrocious spelling and grammar (I mark plenty of exams and teach- trust me it's true) so maybe if NZ'ers spoke English better, we'd actually want to speak it to you." ROFL :banana how true...............:) How do you get more similar?	Cicero (40)
855641	2010-02-05 19:52:00	Sorry Cato doesn't wash if it was so and we all forgot our past lives why and it's a big why did Speights send a ship load of their crap beer to London for the homesick Kiwi's?	gary67 (56)
855642	2010-02-05 20:05:00	Speights crap! Heresy	prefect (6291)
855643	2010-02-05 20:08:00	But you go overseas and see the same thing the other way round. If I were a tourist, sure. It is a very big difference if you move somewhere or if you are a tourist passing by. Immigration is a choice, whether refugee or skill based, and by doing so we submit ourselves to wherever we chose to make a new life. Not by going around insulting people, not by constantly going on about the "old country" and not cheering for some distant that they mostly left by choice against their NEW homes. I got no issues with poms coming over and cheering for their team, I have an issue with poms who chose to become NZ citizens, live in NZ but support the English rather than NZ. Where has all the patriotism gone?	Cato (6936)
855644	2010-02-05 20:14:00	Cato is just a blerry racist (or as I prefer to say it, a nationalist). We should be embracing immigrants to this country and accept their different ways. I can't see immigrants changing our national identity, eg outdoors, fishing, beach-going, rugby, the Haka. And it's no crime to compare life here with what the immigrants experienced in their country of birth. I'd be disappointed to live here if we didn't have an influx of Asian and European immigrants... where would we be without Meditteranean foods in our delis? Or Indian, Thai, Vietnamese etc restaurants? A lot worse off I reckon. As for poms cheering their teams - not all are so inclined. My ex was half pom, and after she was granted NZ citizenship she always supported the AB's.	Greg (193)
855645	2010-02-05 20:26:00	Greg, as I said in the first post, I too am an Immigrant. I do speak two languages other than English. I am not racist at all. I hate all kinds of men equally be they white, black, brown or pink. (And I do think the green ones should get off my bloody planet!) My issue isn't with them bringing in something, or taking away our national identity, my problem is with the lack of patriotism and a******s who have have no respect for this country or it's inhabitants. I went to fill up at the gas station yesterday, and my card got declined. No biggie, rent and car payments, I used another card. Now these two jokers, as I am walking away make some joke in whatever foreign language it is that they spoke, and started laughing. Maybe it was the greatest joke in history or maybe it was they laughing at me and my declined card? I said to them "Wanna share that with us in english?", it shut them up pretty quit. Needless to say I am not amused. Languages other than english do not belong in the workplace in NZ, end of story. (Unless they are translators or need it professionally, etc.)	Cato (6936)
855646	2010-02-05 20:28:00	It is a bit odd that some small but conspicuous bunch of migrants wish to change things here to reflect the very place they could no longer abide. Perhaps they are from that strange group that are so unlucky as to have horrible neighbours wherever they go? (In their favour, it must be said that they have usually improved their neighbourhood by upping stakes.) On the other topic - patriotism is a mildly noble concept, but it is too often used to paper over glaring deficiencies in competence.	R2x1 (4628)
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