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Thread ID: 108402	2010-03-27 15:52:00	Frog-Boiling	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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870341	2010-03-27 15:52:00	This will ultimately affect youse guys too and I am just making a few observations here . Somehow this is a very viable outcome to a very volatile situation here in the States: This Obama & Cronies National Health Care program might just become a big hole poked in the Constitution and from there is a very slippery downhill slope . Figger this: IF the Obama-group gets it's way and defies the US Constitution on this one powerful and volatile point - they may decide to hold a NEW Constitutional Convention and just try to re-write the whole document the way they want it this time . Since all US citizens - even though they deny and/or don't recognize it - are living under Marshal Law via the "Homeland Security Act", there is really no voice of the governed about the new Mandatory Buy-In Federal Healthcare Act and laws that can be so written and are now obscurely in place: ie, You WILL buy insurance at your own expense and will not be allowed to deduct the cost on your income taxes . F'rinstance: The fact that it is not yet a requirement to obtain a travel permit to cross a state, county or city lines is not an omission or failing by the police - it's just bringing the frogs (citizens) to a slow boil before the new rules and laws are enacted . You can bet that travel will eventually be restricted - prolly under the guise of saving fuel or tires or creating a smaller carbon footprint - and well --- remember the days of rationing and that you couldn't get fuel/tires/time off from work to visit out of town relatives until you saved enough ration stamps? No? That actually happened during WW-2 . If since almost 90% of the population didn't want their "representatives" to vote the way they did on the Obama-Bill and yet they did - then that is a dictatorship, not really a Federalist Republic which is what the US really is when all the smoke and rhetoric dissipates . These "representatives" gleefully ignored the very people they represent . Think about it . Civilian freedoms are really currently non-existent and although the courts are still allowing Constitutional Law debates in lesser, individual cases, they are just a smoke screen for the fact that if the judges prematurely dropped the dime and let it be known that a defense could NOT be mustered upon Constitutional Law, there's be more that a few bricks through windows and threats . If you nibble at the Constitution this way then it's not long until the whole thing is eaten away . I feel I can be an outside observer on this point and yet not also become an advocate for this system of things too .	SurferJoe46 (51)
870342	2010-03-27 16:39:00	Go have a revolution then.	Netsukeninja (13296)
870343	2010-03-27 18:28:00	A revolution? Does one bad turn deserve another?	R2x1 (4628)
870344	2010-03-27 18:43:00	Go have a revolution then. :thumbs: The neocon-fundamental_christian-fox_news-repub crazies have hate and destroy down to a fine art, but no doubt they will be first in line for free med care. :illogical	Strommer (42)
870345	2010-03-27 19:25:00	This will ultimately affect youse guys too This [I]Obama & Cronies National Health Care program all US citizens are living under Marshal Law via the "Homeland Security Act" it is not yet a requirement to obtain a travel permit to cross a state, county or city lines it's just bringing the frogs (citizens) to a slow boil before the new rules and laws are enacted. . Affect us? We already have a national health care program, such as it is. And that's getting rather paranoid isn't it? Health care = travel restrictions. I take it you are not a fan of your current President.	pctek (84)
870346	2010-03-27 20:42:00	Since when does 'public-option' mean 'you must buy this'?	ubergeek85 (131)
870347	2010-03-27 21:30:00	I don't get it Joe, judging from your posts here you have had a fair number of on-going health problems, won't you benefit greatly from socialized health care? Financially surely you would be better off or does your time in the armed forces cover that? You should think of all the poor people in America of which, to the on-going shame of the richest nation on Earth, there are plenty who have no way of getting health care; the Obama initiative will be a great boon to them, surely that is the Xtian way?	zqwerty (97)
870348	2010-03-27 21:47:00	This will ultimately affect youse guys too and I am just making a few observations here. [I It wont affect us one tiny little iota we already have free public hospitals. They are bit underfunded but do their best. They wont refuse to repair you when you badly need it. Even if you are an overstayer, criminal,tourist without insurance hell even smokers they fix you up and worry about payment later.	prefect (6291)
870349	2010-03-27 22:30:00	I may be wrong, but I think Joe is not saying that the change to socialised health care will affect us, but that this is a first step on the slide to a major change from capitalism and the freedoms that American's have enjoyed (to a greater or lesser degree) since the original Constitution was signed way back in 1787 . Changes to the American system may eventually impact on us (especially as regards travel to the US - which we are already affected by, with the huge number of silly rules about liquids on planes, checking in 3 hours before the flight etc) - there may be other 'compromises' we will be forced to adopt (whether we like it or not) . . . . He is right too, in pointing out that Americans are living under a defacto martial law situation (naturally enough, most Americans are oblivious to this, since it was all instigated "in their own best interests", following 9/11 . Frog-boiling, indeed!!) . Homeland Security has waaay too much power - and bugger all in the way of public accountability .	johcar (6283)
870350	2010-03-27 23:41:00	...the change to socialised health care will affect us, but that this is a first step on the slide to a major change from capitalism and the freedoms that American's have enjoyed (to a greater or lesser degree) since the original Constitution was signed way back in 1787. The Republican crazies push that Obama's health care is socialistic/communistic but typically they overlook that everyday their taxes go to things that support the overall collective good. To everyone who complains that "They should not be forced to pay for other peoples health insurance".... It seems they already are forced to pay for: 1. All those F/A 22s flying around protecting the USA and 'spheres of influence'. 2. All those highways that they all drive on 3. All those schools their children attend 4. All those cops and firefighters ... and so on and so on ... Oh just one more... 5. All those rich, wall street bankers and that sweet sweet bailout. The right wing crazies also overlook that for many decades Presidents who were not Democrats have tried to get universal health care for Americans. The one thing they don't overlook are the daily load of lies and distortions from Faux News and the likes of Sarah Palin and the tea party people. Healthcare can be looked at as an extension of the Department of Defense. F-22's protect us from death by air assault. Vaccines protect the populace from infectious disease. This was posted this recently and sums things up nicely : Thank you Democrats! The Republicans had eight long years in power and all they could do was blow money on war, bailing out corrupt big business and expanding the powers of the president. How dare they obstruct health care reform, that while costly and hugely imperfect, will help so many Americans! The lies and misinformation spread by the Republicans in obstructing the passage of this bill was tantamount to treason in my view and they should all be booted out of office come November. Unfortunately we live in a society where people believe everything Pat Robertson, Bill O'Reilly, and Rush Limbaugh says. I'm sure it will be the other way around come November and the reigns of power will frightfully be passed back to the war mongering conservative Right. Now that's a thought far scarier than anything in this health care reform bill!!!	Strommer (42)
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