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Thread ID: 108402	2010-03-27 15:52:00	Frog-Boiling	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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870361	2010-03-28 06:40:00	Thanks, Steve. It's almost midnight and I need some sleep. G'night all.	SurferJoe46 (51)
870362	2010-03-28 08:53:00	The real citizens here don't want Obama in office any longer that this election term. They want him OUT as they see the big sell-out now and they are all talking about the disgust and shame they have since they got fooled. I would have thought that the "real citizens" were ashamed of George Bush who got them dragged into a "war" which has now lasted longer then WW2.	decibel (11645)
870363	2010-03-28 09:27:00	I would have thought that the "real citizens" were ashamed of George Bush who got them dragged into a "war" which has now lasted longer then WW2. The "real citizens" have short term memories so that all of GWB's faults are non-existent. What they DO remember is all the distortions and lies fed to them by Faux News and other inane, hateful sources.	Strommer (42)
870364	2010-03-28 09:40:00	... that this is a first step on the slide to a major change from capitalism and the freedoms that American's have enjoyed (to a greater or lesser degree) since the original Constitution was signed way back in 1787. ... Here (www.nytimes.com)is the New York Times' take on the situation: ... the explanation is plain: the health care bill is not the main source of this anger and never has been. It’s merely a handy excuse. The real source of the over-the-top rage of 2010 is the same kind of national existential reordering that roiled America in 1964. In fact, the current surge of anger — and the accompanying rise in right-wing extremism — predates the entire health care debate. The first signs were the shrieks of “traitor” and “off with his head” at Palin rallies as Obama’s election became more likely in October 2008. Those passions have spiraled ever since ... Unfortunately the reading level required for this article is above that of an 8 year old child, so few of the right wing crazies will be able to understand it. Instead, they will gulp down the rubbish thrown at them from neocon radio, from pastors, and on Faux News.	Strommer (42)
870365	2010-03-28 10:45:00	It's unbelievable really, at least Obama can speak English, he looks the part, dresses well and looks elegant, has a beautiful wife, smart and clever, humane, the makings of a great President and it seems that people want him out, I think America is going mad.	zqwerty (97)
870366	2010-03-28 10:50:00	Well it's nice that you don't have money problems Joe and that is due to your good planning but what about all the people who are in poverty?	zqwerty (97)
870367	2010-03-28 16:25:00	The "real citizens" have short term memories so that all of GWB's faults are non-existent . What they DO remember is all the distortions and lies fed to them by Faux News and other inane, hateful sources . Yeah - the US press is full of tripe and falsehoods and totally owned by the gvt too . It's a hand-washing that keeps the papers n line . If they don't report what the White House wants, they are denied many privileges that other papers would then have: same with the broadcast media . When I want to see the other side of a story, I use the Beeb or a Mexican station . At least in their own way they are presenting a non-US homogenized version . Here's MY take on the convenient memory aspect: People remember when things were better and they owned their homes, paid smaller taxes and had more decent (not GREAT, but decent, anyway) education . There were free universities in the states, funded by the profits that were taxed or sucked out of the war machinery . War has always been good monetary times for the US and thereby a war is usually kept boiling somewhere, ala: Great Britain's old policy that it can no longer maintain since it too is suffering from do-gooders and peacenics in lobbies and meeting the press for interviews and all their knee-jerk rationalisations . I digress however . . . . . . . Right now things are indeed dark and dank with the aspect of this new tax-n-spend aspect that the general populous forgot was the Democrat's way of control . I know that Obama is just the bellwether, but he's now perceived as a charlatan and a crook, but not necessarily in that order . It's really his party which currently holds the cat-bird seat in the House and that's the real culprit here . Unfortunately, there will always be those in the poverty level . The bad parts is that the big-buck companies that used to give to the social programs for their own tax benefits, cannot afford to do so any more as they are hanging by the skin of their own teeth just to keep the doors open . Fair-Trade and open door importation policies with no tariffs have also taken their toll and are bleeding the very society that used to depend on SOMEONE being rich, caring and able to make the contributions to their causes . For the record: The US citizenry is (or was) regarded worldwide as the MOST caring and philanthropic people in the world - still IS and that's not even an arguable point - but now with a much shorter reach and a smaller checkbook . The incentive eggs are being sucked dry .	SurferJoe46 (51)
870368	2010-03-28 16:28:00	yadda, yadda - Instead, they will gulp down the rubbish thrown at them from neocon radio, from pastors, and on Faux News. You're right there, Steve. The churches should never even think of presenting a political thought. I totally agree. :wub	SurferJoe46 (51)
870369	2010-03-30 00:13:00	This from the person who ridiculed the possibility of someone called Barack Obama becoming president back when Obama announced he was running and then hid behind an assertation that he was not political when challenged over it. Hey Joe, maybe the "90%" you think don't want these healthcare innovations are the same people who voted Obama in as President. and just maybe the rest of the world thinks that this change of policy is just a little bit far sighted, from a President who is prepared to take a pragmatic look at the ills of your "democracy".	theother1 (3573)
870370	2010-03-30 07:01:00	This from the person who ridiculed the possibility of someone called Barack Obama becoming president back when Obama announced he was running and then hid behind an assertation that he was not political when challenged over it . Hey Joe, maybe the "90%" you think don't want these healthcare innovations are the same people who voted Obama in as President . and just maybe the rest of the world thinks that this change of policy is just a little bit far sighted, from a President who is prepared to take a pragmatic look at the ills of your "democracy" . OK - I'll rise . I didn't ridicule - I pointed out . I am not political - just observant and non-voting so it's really just reporting the things I see . Pragmatism and ideologue denials appear to be your venue though . Just don't confuse knee jerk hope with your emotionally evocative catechism . But you are sorta right and those same people who voted him ('O') in are now very upset because they've been fooled --- and lied to . Well - fooled mostly - since everyone expects to have politicians lie to them: "if their lips are moving, they are lying" is the old/new phrase . Don't forget that they (the angry hordes) have been re tax-assessed and now are gonna get hit with new taxes and charges for things they don't want, didn't want and didn't think they were gonna get thrust up their noses . The housing crisis is running full-bore yet and home foreclosures are going gangbusters and the banks are NOT lending to anyone without a golden goose egg - and guess what? Those with the eggs don't need the loans . The mobile home park in which I had lived for almost 11 years had over 70 vacant lots when the total count of home spaces is only 110 when I left it; who knows now? The neighborhood in which I currently live has - let me think ~ uh, we have empty and abandoned homes on all four points of the compass around me . We live on ten acres, and the next 20 acre homesite North of us goes vacant/repossessed on April 1st . So - let's see, that makes it that we are about the only family in three sites in any direction but directly South of us . And that home just burned down Saturday evening . It might've been for insurance too, as it was in distress with two years of non-payment to the mortgage holder . Times are indeed tough here . I meet the people all the time - I go to their door and talk with them . That's my commitment . I bet you don't . The very people who were electionspeak promised that the banks would be rendered solvent by the government and things would soon be all pink and rosy - well, it ain't and there are whole families living in waxed refrigerator boxes: waxed ones keep out the rain better than the plain untreated appliance box when it gets wet . We have a couple of unlicensed and prolly unregistered cars parked down the road a ways from us that people are living in - the whole family in a field - and they use the woods for toilets and the nearest gas stations for spit-bath showers . The kids play with dirt clods and ants in the fields and generally think they are on a long term picnic . Kids don't always figger these things out - for a while! Cars are being repossessed at record levels and since there is NO general transportation available (buses or trains) - and since the people who work in the cities cannot afford to live there and have to commute long distances but now without a car, well - they are economically forced to become (what else?) unemployed too . . Everybody is having yard sales and garage sales to make some cash . There are rolling fruit stands all over the place and people are selling things out of the back of their cars at rural road intersections while the family members beg for food . I don't see or go to the bigger cities any more but I bet it's the same, only worse, there . Local jobs do not exist in the bedroom communities . I don't know what your rosy-cheeked commentators are saying - but I do know the reported unemployment percentages are skewed by the fact that the chronically unemployed are not mentioned in that numerical expression . Why not? They've exhausted their unemployment funds because they've been out of work beyond their legally funded allotment of their 23 weeks allowance and are no longer on the "Reportees List" and therefor are no longer - what else? - reported . The true percentages of unemployed are closer to 50-60% right now and it's still getting darker . This also doesn't takes into consideration those who are UNDER employed and just earn minimum wage at menial jobs . If you don't believe this - just count the number of abandoned homes where the payments could not be kept up even with both parents working three jobs each at minimum wages . There are PhDs who are cooking in McDonald's . There are aerospace engineers and auto designers standing on street corners, waiting for someone to hire them to mow lawns and pull weeds . The proverbial light at the end of the tunnel has been extinguished due to financial constraints until someone can actually pay the electric bill . You do NOT see the people . I do . I don't want to hear your mouth telling me that I am protesting and then hiding behind a fake facade . I see hungry babies and kids who cannot legally go to school since they no longer have a home address - which is a mandatory stipulation to enroll in school . They and their parents are sometimes living under trees, on newspapers for floors and have old plastic sheets for walls and ceilings . Others are not so fortunate: they didn't find any plastic . Come on over - get out of your ivory tower and see the parks and recreational areas being turned into Obama-Towns with the displaced and misplaced . Until then ---- keep your attitude and thoughts to yourself . I'm serious here . You only hear the news and get a dry-cleaned, white washed version of what's going on here in the US . I talk to these people all the time and hear the general discontent and the mal-de-mare . And you just think it discontent with Obama? Hah! I laugh at you! And then you have the sheer guts to tell me that the US doesn't have any concept of the outside world! Poppycock! It seems the only people currently prospering are the drug dealers and politicians and people living on the federal dole outside the US territorial boundary . The true myopia unfortunately is from people in "the rest of the world" who think they know what happens in the US through their own tinted spectacle political commentators and do-gooders who don't live here as a bone-ah-fide resident . What you catch on the Beeb and other Brit-laced propaganda is that the US (first of all, and incorrectly so) is a "democracy" . It is not . It (the US) is also not caring for the opinions of people who live outside of it's borders and if you find that repulsive, that's tough . The place is so big that the pulse of opinion runs the gauntlet of human emotion (for good or bad) - human love and hate (again, for good or bad) and generally opinions that if foreigners don't like it they can side with whatever large nation they like and can go for themselves . However, generally the nation's internal heartbeat is faltering and flag waving is not the game of the moment . Every person here is in survival mode and doesn't care to be taxed more, forced to pay for an insurance plan that forces them to purchase votes for the next political election fiasco that might continue a program of cash give away and rice-bowl ecumenicism . The people are being beat like a downed horse that has only 200 more acres to plow until it can eat . I also told you that the US was slowly- but now more rapidly so- becoming an isolationist nation and is inwardly folding and it doesn't give a fig nor want any more input from other people about it's internal affairs ::: it's already screwed up enough with all the moralist help it has received from abroad . The place (here) is so ripe at the mo' for a revolution/insurrection and I bet your talking heads don't ever mention that! People are buying (if they have the money or otherwise stealing) and generally hording their guns and ammunition to thwart off what they totally believe will be anarchy in the streets very soon . Everybody's suspicious of everyone else and filial human warmth and the sweet milk of kindness are not the buzzwords of the day . The internal people are tired of being the wet nurse to the rest of the world and see the current administration as just extending the hemorrhage of cash that they see can be spent on internal problems and not squandered by a bunch of despotic blood sucking leeches: other countries . If any one someone can get the angry people here all pointed at a singular, common goal or to hate one special bogeyman, then I feel the slippery slope is indeed so inclined . The bogeyman of the moment? "O" . I know YOU don't like that - but like I said it's not really your call . I see anger and discontent in the blank, cold-staring eyes of the working people who are really fed up with the interference of the goody-twoshoes of the world and the internal trouble makers and elitist and lobbyists in DC and want to just get this whole mess covered up like so much feline feces . It won't take much to turn this into a full-bored rebellion . People here are fed up with big government - ANY government actually and as I see it the fuse has been lit but not reported YET --- and they DON'T want to hear from obtuse and non resident-minded outsiders either . Not just MY observation, of course - but it's what's in the trenches and not generally on the state-controlled media pages, the US or yours . I go door-to-door and this is what I hear . I talk to people - even if you don't or can't or won't - I DO! The general babblespin around the world is that hopefully the US is solvent, righteous in a christian way (notice the small "c") and is an in-port for the oppressed, beleaguered and wretched poor, hungry and downtrodden . It is generally thought of as the cash cow too . Bullfeathers . Current opinion is send 'em home where they came from and slam the door . I know that there are many almost-countries fed on the promise of a kind philanthropy in the form of money from the US and now that's gonna grind to a stop until (and maybe even after) this internal mess gets cleaned up . Now I know it comes to you as a shock of Biblical proportions that the innards of the US are not all that happy, profitable and healthy; there's rancor in the ranks . There's an angry roiling going here - a ground swell of epic size if you will - and I also know that it will affect everyone as they look to the US for cash handouts, military protection and non Lucas technology . Your deny-ist attitude I believe is just an internalized manifestation of and fainthearted silent prayer for the good health of the US and I take that as a sign that you wish the US would not act like what you say is a spoiled brat - when inside you actually KNOW and understand that you are soon gonna be - no, make that: ARE now on the very end of the rice bowl receiving line . The goose has been cooked for a long time coming, and like that frog, it too has been boiled, broiled and basted with fertilizer in the form of outside advice and fecal interference and when it should have protested and told the rest of the world to bug off - well now they realize it's too late . The fat lady has warmed up and is moving to center stage . Hear the ululation ???? Now here's MY STAND and you can believe it or not::: I am NOT politically motivated . I don't vote as I aspire to a higher authority . I will not debate that . I will - however - defend the sights and scenes I report and that of which I see in the people to whom I talk ----- and I will now tell you that you have no idea of what you speak . C'mon over and take a look-see fer yerself . Spend some time and get to know the facts of which you so righteously speak untruths . Oh - and do bring your own food and a strong cardboard box . There are few people here who have an actual home in which you can hang your hat at the moment . I'm also not too sure that I'd want you to visit me until you get your eyes fixed .	SurferJoe46 (51)
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