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Thread ID: 108620	2010-04-05 04:05:00	Discussion: Why fibre to the door?	Chilling_Silence (9)	PC World Chat

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873083	2010-04-07 06:50:00	You have the same opportunities as every single other ISP in the country: * You have access to every single one of the 3500-odd roadside cabinets to put your own gear in * You can wholesale off Telecom Chorus * You can establish yourself as a reseller of another ISP such as Orcon Or: * You can go with Wireless, such as Compass * You can go with Fibre, such as Vector / Citylink	Chilling_Silence (9)
873084	2010-04-07 08:10:00	Or you can wait for service from Telecom if in Albany. business.scoop.co.nz	Sweep (90)
873085	2010-04-07 09:29:00	All of us would like faster & more broadband. How we would get it is immaterial, Fibre, Copper or Wireless, etc. It will all come down to what any of us Wants To or Is Able To pay. I suspect that the majority of B/B users in NZ are Ok with what they are getting. Yes they would like better, but pay no more.Rural Dwellers excepted of course as they are getting a raw deal. Is there another country the same land size & population as NZ that has it better than us? If there is then it is because they started later than us & their infrastructure has not gone thro' the turmoil that we have. Do most of us REALLY need what is apparently being offerred to us under the guise of "It will be good for us". I don't think anybody investing $$$$ in Fibre or Undersea Cables are doing it out of kindness. I don't believe the Average Joe needs it. PJ	Poppa John (284)
873086	2010-04-07 12:18:00	Lol, yes I "get" the smoke screen Chilling_Silence, sure the government tried to break the monopoly and it hasn't worked, hence cabintisation. So why is it most ISP's in New Zealand go through Telecom wholesale, is it great service, hot sales chicks or what? Lets pretend I am a modest start up ISP, I want to offer ADSL2 to residential customers what are my options Chilling_Silence?, I want you to tell me! It is possible to build another wholesale network if one wished. TelstraClear have built a great cable network in Wellington and Christchurch. It cost a lot of money (I believe $1 billion) and hence if you were a small start up ISP you would find it more economical to buy off Telecom Wholesale. Some would argue that Telstra should share too. But they spent $1 billion building it - why should they share it? Other ISPs finding it uneconomical to duplicate parts of Telecom's network does not mean that Telecom has a monopoly. Finally, you say "hence cabintisation". Did you not understand or believe what I said before? The cabenetisation scheme is entirely Telecom's initiative, and it is dramatically improving ADSL performance at Telecom's cost. The death of Telecom's true monopoly is indicated in its profits.	george12 (7)
873087	2010-04-07 20:07:00	It cost a lot of money (I believe $1 billion) and hence if you were a small start up ISP you would find it more economical to buy off Telecom Wholesale. Some would argue that Telstra should share too. But they spent $1 billion building it - why should they share it? On that basis, why should Telecom share their cabinets - they've sunk $1.4b of their funds into that roll-out.	somebody (208)
873088	2010-04-07 23:52:00	That's really the same question as why Telecom has to share their local loop. My understanding is that if they did not have to share the cabinets, all this local-loop-unbundling stuff would be useless. Perhaps because much of Telecom's infrastructure came originally from the Government itself, which is of course a huge advantage for Telecom - ie, the expensive copper assets are already built.	george12 (7)
873089	2010-04-08 00:04:00	Yeah they were kind of forced to share their cabinets in order to prevent a monopoly.	Chilling_Silence (9)
873090	2010-04-08 00:08:00	Most people are not uploading anywhere near what they download, so ADSL is still perfectly fine. What we need is: ADSL2+ and lots of roadside cabinets for everyone so they can get at least 10Mbit downstream, implement Annex M so we can get 3Mbit upstream and get rid of stupid things like 3GB caps And then make that consistent throughout the country. It's all well and good to have this, but not if only 5 people can get it.	Agent_24 (57)
873091	2010-04-08 04:05:00	You have the same opportunities as every single other ISP in the country: * You have access to every single one of the 3500-odd roadside cabinets to put your own gear in * You can wholesale off Telecom Chorus * You can establish yourself as a reseller of another ISP such as Orcon Or: * You can go with Wireless, such as Compass * You can go with Fibre, such as Vector / Citylink Seriously are you a Telecom employee? Probably 95% of NZ DSL users are going through Telecom Wholesale. Do you really believe ISP's choose to do that? Your right any company with a few Billion $$$ can make there own network on the local loop and take on Telecom. Luckily for us the government have realised, unbundling the local loop, and so called separation has not had the desired effect. Whats the alternative to FTTD, have Telecom in control of NZ braodband for another 10 years?, they have done such a excellent job that seems like a good idea lol You are just throwing up smoke screen arguments, and offering no real ""tangible"" alternative to FTTD.	Battleneter2 (9361)
873092	2010-04-08 04:10:00	It is possible to build another wholesale network if one wished. TelstraClear have built a great cable network in Wellington and Christchurch. It cost a lot of money (I believe $1 billion) and hence if you were a small start up ISP you would find it more economical to buy off Telecom Wholesale. Some would argue that Telstra should share too. But they spent $1 billion building it - why should they share it? Other ISPs finding it uneconomical to duplicate parts of Telecom's network does not mean that Telecom has a monopoly. Finally, you say "hence cabintisation". Did you not understand or believe what I said before? The cabenetisation scheme is entirely Telecom's initiative, and it is dramatically improving ADSL performance at Telecom's cost. The death of Telecom's true monopoly is indicated in its profits. OMG lol Dont get me started on the Saturn Network "Telstra Clear" hybrid fibre netowrk which I love. For a start the Auckland City councils basically killed the project in the late 90's when they voted all cables HAVE to go underground blowing out the cost of the project killing it for the ENTIRE country. IF that project was allowed to proceed as planned this thread would NOT exists. Fibre to the door is correcting that mistake. TO add Telecom seriously under invested for a DECADE, now they are frantically investing to try and protect there position, I am supposed to feel sorry for there current bottom line?, successive governments have warmed and warned them.	Battleneter2 (9361)
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