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| Thread ID: 108569 | 2010-04-02 20:04:00 | Racism in NZ? | bk T (215) | PC World Chat |
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| 872365 | 2010-04-06 00:29:00 | I'm the complete opposite to the article, personally look for (some) asians and pacific islanders for my business for a reason. In my experience they seem to work harder, are more caring, and make the workplace a more friendlier and interesting environment. We have a lot more fun and laughs with a cultural mix as opposed to similar cultural backgrounds. For those who say they don't want to work with people who can't speak english fluently is just an stuck arse tbh. Seek common ground, and talk in simple english if they don't understand the message you're putting across. Also, I tend find (some) whites make themselves feel better than myself, whereas the asians and islanders look up to more, rather than making themselves feel "bigger or more important". Well thats just me edit: this article really shocked me, i've always thought asians changed their name so people could pronounce their name more easily |
Ollie (794) | ||
| 872366 | 2010-04-06 00:37:00 | I belief so. Many years ago, applicants even used borrowed cash/share certificates, etc to 'fool' NZ immigration officers. My view is, obviously, those applicants are not doing the right thing but are we (our immigration officers) not to be responsible, too? We may have a very good set of rules and regulations but if we can't (or don't) enforce it, then who is to be blamed? If we have difficulties enforcing it, there must be something wrong somewhere along the line. Two things pop up of my mind immediately: 1. incompetent enforcement officers. 2. corruption. If it is our fault that lying applicants get in, then we can simply insist that every applicant prove every statement on every answer on every form, and throw in an agreement that if a single error is found, the applicant get themselves out of the country at their own expense within 24 hours, forfeiting all possessions and funds to the Crown. Naturally the verification process will be expensive, so applicants will have to post a bond able to cover the investigation, any conceivable medical expense for five years, and the education costs of any children. This bond only to be refunded at the expiry of a 10 year probationary period, less costs incurred, and bearing no interest. Any criminal conviction will be occasion for the farewelling of the probationary applicant plus all family members and forfeit of each person's bond. Any attempt by would-be migrants to bring in proscribed items will be occasion for the immediate incineration of every piece of that person's luggage, including items they may be wearing or carrying, and instant expulsion. These rules to be tightened on all days other than Tuesdays. When it comes to neighbours, I find Asians are excellent. They make pretty good friends too. |
R2x1 (4628) | ||
| 872367 | 2010-04-06 00:39:00 | No surprise really. If one wants to get a house mortgage they will group up. Known people who had a unofficial west name. Haven't read the article but, everyone does it. If they wanna go to Canada or the US or UK they do it to increase their odds. Not lying, but then it could still be a gray issue. It's not what you say, it's how you say it. People in NZ may head to Aust or whatever ... its merely a business decision, inputs and outputs. I find that islanders and asians are more down to earth. Althou if you head to bigger cities like in asia you get the same crap the whites get here. Be it status, be it politics, self gain or whatever. Maybe a lot wants to be like the USA. They want to stand out. Money, job, friends, associates, clothes, food, booze, overseas, car, boat, the lifestyle what else .. |
Nomad (952) | ||
| 872368 | 2010-04-06 01:55:00 | If it is our fault that lying applicants get in, then we can simply insist that every applicant prove every statement on every answer on every form, and throw in an agreement that if a single error is found, the applicant get themselves out of the country at their own expense within 24 hours, forfeiting all possessions and funds to the Crown. Naturally the verification process will be expensive, so applicants will have to post a bond able to cover the investigation, any conceivable medical expense for five years, and the education costs of any children. This bond only to be refunded at the expiry of a 10 year probationary period, less costs incurred, and bearing no interest. Any criminal conviction will be occasion for the farewelling of the probationary applicant plus all family members and forfeit of each person's bond. Any attempt by would-be migrants to bring in proscribed items will be occasion for the immediate incineration of every piece of that person's luggage, including items they may be wearing or carrying, and instant expulsion. These rules to be tightened on all days other than Tuesdays. When it comes to neighbours, I find Asians are excellent. They make pretty good friends too. As I've mentioned earlier, I belief that we do have a very good set of rules and regulations governing our immigration policies. Problem is with the enforcement of the regulations. We may have the best and the tightest regulations in the world but if we don't enforce it fully, it's pointless. Very simple logic, really. If we expect the applicants to do their own 'self-enforcement', or 'self-service' we don't need any immigration officers. lol To sum up, it's all about ENFORCEMENT, ENFORCEMENT, and ENFORCEMENT. |
bk T (215) | ||
| 872369 | 2010-04-06 02:15:00 | If you want customer service you want an attractive female . a few years ago me and my flatmate both appliyed for a job at pak'n'save . I had sevral years experance in retail/ cash handeling skills . she had no real experance in any job . we appliyed for the same job on the same day . she got the job, I didnt even get an interview . she would be described as "an attractive female" . there is always prejudice when ever you go for a job . I know a guy who owned a fish and chip shop, he would only hire younger girls (18-23) for the shop counter . . |
robsonde (120) | ||
| 872370 | 2010-04-06 02:52:00 | Dont see how it could help other than get them an interview. If the employer wanted to hire Caucasian European English speaking staff they would just conduct a short interview with the person with an English name but who obviously isn't. This would stop them getting done for racially profiling. Dumb to do anything else but conduct the interview and then say I will be in contact. Unless they invent a mind reading machine dont see how the asian with an English name has a snowballs chance in hell with an employer who wants Caucasian European English speaking staff. |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 872371 | 2010-04-06 07:47:00 | As I've mentioned earlier, I belief that we do have a very good set of rules and regulations governing our immigration policies. Problem is with the enforcement of the regulations. We may have the best and the tightest regulations in the world but if we don't enforce it fully, it's pointless. Very simple logic, really. If we expect the applicants to do their own 'self-enforcement', or 'self-service' we don't need any immigration officers. lol To sum up, it's all about ENFORCEMENT, ENFORCEMENT, and ENFORCEMENT. I agree, but you don't seem to agree with my theory of who pays for all the scrutiny and enforcement. |
R2x1 (4628) | ||
| 872372 | 2010-04-06 09:33:00 | I agree, but you don't seem to agree with my theory of who pays for all the scrutiny and enforcement. Who else do you think that should foot the bill? It's neither your problem nor mine to worry about. Let the politicians crack their heads, after all, they are drawing big fat $$$ from we poor tax payers like you and me. What are they doing up there? |
bk T (215) | ||
| 872373 | 2010-04-06 10:23:00 | Who else do you think that should foot the bill? It's neither your problem nor mine to worry about. Let the politicians crack their heads, after all, they are drawing big fat $$$ from we poor tax payers like you and me. What are they doing up there? The migrants perhaps? The willy-nilly process of charging the general public for specialist costs should not cover voluntarily incurred expenses of niche service consumers. |
R2x1 (4628) | ||
| 872374 | 2010-04-06 10:54:00 | Racism I believe is discrimination against an individual or a group on the basis of their race: Very hard to prove unless the discriminator is an idiot. Classic mistakes include readvertising when a "racially unsuitable" applicant or candidate has been advised in writing that the job was taken, the premises let etc etc. Some 11 years when I was at the University of Auckland, a black african applicant was not appointed to an administrative job (the grounds being the applicant's qualifications and experience not nearly as good as the winning candidate - which was quite justifiable and correct in this particular instance)-the interviewing manager was a white South African. Nevertheless the unsuccessful applicant lodged an official complaint of racial discrimination against the interviewer, which resulted in a formal investigation, a hearing in which fortunately the interviewer was upheld as having behaved perfectly correctly without any prejudice. This incident wasted a lot of time, incurred unnecessary expense, and resulted in needless stress for the individuals involved |
KenESmith (6287) | ||
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