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Thread ID: 108620	2010-04-05 04:05:00	Discussion: Why fibre to the door?	Chilling_Silence (9)	PC World Chat

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873143	2010-05-24 04:02:00	I call that a waste of resources. You think Telecom don't realize that? They're mandated by the Govt to do the rollout! Why do you think they've been putting in these massively awesome Whisper Cabinets that have a huge Fibre backbone to each of them? So that when they're done with ADSL2+ / VDSL2, there's already FTTN making the "last mile" rollout to your doorstep that much cheaper, cost effective, as well as readily available. There's FTTN covering 80% of the country by next year. The Govt wants to do 75% of the country within a decade. Which sounds like the better choice to you?	Chilling_Silence (9)
873144	2010-05-24 04:07:00	You think Telecom don't realize that? They're mandated by the Govt to do the rollout! Why do you think they've been putting in these massively awesome Whisper Cabinets that have a huge Fibre backbone to each of them? So that when they're done with ADSL2+ / VDSL2, there's already FTTN making the "last mile" rollout to your doorstep that much cheaper, cost effective, as well as readily available. There's FTTN covering 80% of the country by next year. The Govt wants to do 75% of the country within a decade. Which sounds like the better choice to you? lol yea and they will still control it all ah Chilling Silence? You just keep missing half the reason of FTTD or at least your worried about your Telecom shares.	Battleneter2 (9361)
873145	2010-05-24 04:52:00	If only I could afford shares ... The other half of this is that the Govt has said they're looking to buy up Chorus themselves, would that keep you happy?	Chilling_Silence (9)
873146	2010-05-28 07:32:00	NZ is so backward. I know nothing about what is on the cards or how BB works, from my view as a customer. I've been on ADSL for over 3yrs, my (former) ISP and msot others, the price has not changed one cent. I was with the Xnet stream (256k) plan, same base price, same GB price. Then they deleted that and made all new clients go to their FS/128 plan and just made them pay the original price which is higher than the 256k plan. :lol: Same to mobile cost even after 2 Degrees made their mark. Prices have not changed one cent. 2 Degrees has great plans for voice calling and the odd SMS for those, sure. But in regards to the big (2), nothing. I was with the Vodafone Motormouth and I paid 49c to other Voda handsets and $1.39 for other handsets - that plan is still active for those who have not switched. They also have a 79c plan as the other plan. In terms of what Vodafone (and probably XT) charge today is no different. They still charge 79c a minute isn't it. 2 Degrees came out with 44c and they didn't even drop their rates. All they did was introduced more package deals and kinda force you onto a monthly plan (contract or not). Their mobile internet is a rip off. PCs and laptops are now affordable in NZ, likewise PDAs, phones etc. it's a lifestyle to check mail on the go. IMHO prices will never go down without regulation. Well whatever measures put in place hasn't worked in the past 3 or 4 years I been with them. The government's investment in cabling I think it is, will do nothing. Sure, it future proofs NZ and maybe the big corporates can access those. It does nothing for the ordinary NZder. People currently cannot even use a FS/128k properly :lol: let alone ADSL2+ or Fiber. Of course Telecom know it, they control the ADSL market, unless you are in the CBD or the areas facilitated by Telstra you are screwed. But even Telstra choose to price their services inlign with Telecom's offerings. I know people who just use the services and get stung with the bills, some of them just put up with it. $50-70 monthly bill for mobile phone is now a expectation, $50-60 is a expectation for internet and $45 for the landline and $200-300 for the power/gas. People like me who are more analytical and manages our affairs, just put up with crap services. I spent the past month all but 1/2 day on dial speed :clap: We carry mobile phones but seldom use it, just for emergencies and the odd SMS. I think regulation is required but my bet is that like the power/gas people will just put up with the prices and adjust their lifestyles. To me it's not just the $2/GB charge. Suppliers should supply what is appropriate for general household usage, not to trap them in a low usage plan and then ping them with a $2/GB bill or if they don't like that go back to dial up speed. At the moment they are mismatching. It is the overall package deal. To me again getting ADSL2+ was nothing, why put it out there when the average person cannot afford the GBs, it was just cos everyone else have 100Mbit, we had to get 24 somehow so we don't look like an idiot. I believe: The 3G ADSL plan needs to be $25-30. For those few. 40 or 80GB needs to be $50. Other plans change accordinly. 80GB should be an option for the household as affordable. 120GB 250GB should also be an option thou pushing the comfort zones. AFAIK, Telecom doesn't even advertise much of these to the consumer. It's like 40GB is a pro plan, lmao. It's like a 40GB is more than you need. Oh you are just too good - you use as much as a busienss so go to a business plan - :thumbs: It is. A typical consumer will just go to Telecom get a landline and get internet. Many consumers don't look at other ISPs cos they think they are all the same, not much diff. Then Telecom says if you are a consumer the professional user plan is a 40GB, haha. NZ has all these great (and affordable) gadgets and they have the infrastructure but it is constrained - who wants to use them at these going rates? Oh yay .. I have my iPhone, iPad, Nokia, laptop but can do jack. I need to sync my emails just to read them outside, lol. Oh I have a $1,000 phone and listen to mp3. As far as I can see, in NZ it's just not practical to Skype with friends, watch Youtube, videos via Facebook, stream television incl HD. The NZ houses sums it up, people just put up with crap housing and crap anything else. We are DiY people. No. 8 (?) wire. We need the basics only. How about a cup of tea and a piece of cake ...., some boiled spuds, the 3 greens and a piece of charcoaled veal. Maybe NZ is a dump. Friends have said NZ is a s@it hole, you need to get out of there. I know at least 10 high school classmates who have gone to the UK. A few have gone to Sydney and another few to Auckland. If the prices are realistic then people are not being paid correctly.	Nomad (952)
873147	2010-05-28 08:33:00	ADSL2 "OK" for now, within 5 years (certainly 10) residential capacity requirements will grow exponentially, way beyond that that of ADSL2. Not to mention we have a real opportunity to finally stop the near monopoly of the incumbent telco. People are getting the international capacity and data charges problem mixed up with FTTD. It all need solving if NZ wants to compete as a knowledge economy in the long term, fixing one problem is better than fixing nothing. VDSL2 then, even that is overkill nobody needs 200Mbit internet to send photos to their grandma and gaming doesn't require that much either. Whatever they use, there isn't going to be any point unless the data caps increase in size (by a LOT) and\or the prices come down.	Agent_24 (57)
873148	2010-05-28 08:50:00	Telecom days IMO are limited. Once prices hit reality. People I think will pay a bit more for wireless. But I think in the next 3yrs we will still be stuck with a $40 plan for 3GB and a $50 10GB plan :lol: Hasn't changed in the past 3yrs. Cable quality and speed has improved data hasn't. Their plans are also out of touch with reality. 40GB and you are pro :annoyed: The top of the line man. I would pay 10GB $50 for wireless. That's a start. Fingers crossed for 2 Degrees when they roll their 3G towers out this year. What's ADSL gonna do keep the same ratio, so price at $25, yeah right ....	Nomad (952)
873149	2010-05-28 09:06:00	You can get 10GB for $50 with Telecom right now. I wouldn't pay more for wireless. I want to pay LESS. And I don't want wireless either.	Agent_24 (57)
873150	2010-05-28 09:46:00	VDSL2 then, even that is overkill nobody needs 200Mbit internet to send photos to their grandma and gaming doesn't require that much either. I think your a little out of touch with what is coming lol But you to are missing the big point, we need to move away from one company controlling nearly our entire infrastructure, there is very little "true" competition in NZ. Telecom Shares have been taking a nose dive, those watching like myself have seen this coming for the last 10 years as Telecom duck and dive regulation. Regulation largely failed (big surprise). There's really only 2 ways to fix this mess, buy Telecom back or create a second network and remove Telecom's monopoly (throught there so called Wholesale division). Yep there is still data charges to solve, better to solve half the problem than nothing at all!!	Battleneter2 (9361)
873151	2010-05-28 10:34:00	You can get 10GB for $50 with Telecom right now. I wouldn't pay more for wireless. I want to pay LESS. And I don't want wireless either. Yep, and the plan won't change forseable future. Thus the same $50 10GB. The internet plans just hasn't changed over the last 3yrs. 3yrs ago I paid the same base fee with Xnet as what they are priced today and the same old $1/GB. Nothing has changed to the cent. If I get my crystalball out. Given if government pressure keep at it. I think the following would happen at most: Up to 10GB more or up to $10 less (for the same GB). The cheapest plan, ISPs tend to be $30 or $40 for 3GB, depending on ISPs again that would be at most; $28 or $35 for 5GB. Just to shut up other parties I guess. They could say, hey $50 Plan now same price for 20GB, you are 100% better, that's a significant improvement Telecom has taken blah blah blah ... Telecom is continuing to change with the government's goals in broadband internet .........	Nomad (952)
873152	2010-05-28 10:37:00	I think your a little out of touch with what is coming lol I'm saying that I think Fibre isn't needed right now and VDSL2 would be good enough Full-rate ADSL2+ Annex M would be good enough for me for a long time....	Agent_24 (57)
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