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Thread ID: 108755	2010-04-10 05:56:00	Geting heat pumps installed.	Nomad (952)	PC World Chat

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874833	2010-04-10 08:42:00	Re: Bond/Bond, I don't think my mum trust them Your mother doesn't trust Bond and Bond, my mother doesn't heatpumps.....or computers or cellphones or any of the other whiz kid stuff we take for granted now. She still clings to her log burner, gives the finger to eCan over there no more fires, still has the old telecom stick your finger in and dial phone.......	PinoyKiw (9675)
874834	2010-04-10 08:49:00	On that topic, we're Asian. My dad has this thinking everything needs to be commercial, haha. We got some ducting for the rangehood and he wanted those in stainless steel as well as kitchen tables and cabinets. We didn't but his thoughts were thou. I'm not sure if dad gives a crap about the heat pump. He might think just open up the windows or turn on that oil fin heater or 3 or 4 of them around the house, winter's only a few months a year, it'll be summer soon. He also doesn't like to cook inside the house b/c the fumes gets around, he prefers to cook on the BBQ outside. Stick finger in the phone? We had those up into the early 90s (rental from Telecom). He has some old fashion lookalike phones around the house thou but are electronic phones just for display. He also doesn't believe in education, but prefers to get a job be it more labour intensive. Edit. I think we might have 2 of those stick in dial phones right now :D One might be in the garage and in his room, rewired for the BT plugs :p	Nomad (952)
874835	2010-04-10 09:07:00	Our Daikin unit costs us about 30 bucks per month - for both heating and cooling, depending on the time of the year. It manages to cool or heat most of the house really well. No idea what the initial cost and install was.	Greg (193)
874836	2010-04-10 09:44:00	I have had a Daikin HP for about 7 or 8 years with no problems. All my friends who have HPs have Daikins. The reason you don't see Daikins in shops like HN/ NL etc is because they are sold by dealers who also install them. Daikin dealers in your area here. (www.daikin.co.nz) :)	Trev (427)
874837	2010-04-11 05:20:00	Hi guys I Work for Noel Leemings - we sell Mitsubishi, Fujitsu, Panasonic, and Samsung . I find our biggest sellers are the Fujitsu & Mitsi's, Panasonic has lifted it's game over the last 12-24 months & seems to be getting a bit more popular, and Samsung are a new heat pump brand for us this year . With regards to installers we use a 3rd party company & it will vary between stores & regions . The installer we use in my region also does there own independent sales & installs but is our exclusive installer . We provide free in house quotes - this involves us booking you in via our system, within 24 hrs - 48 hrs our installer contacts you to arrange a time that suits you . Usually when we book these quotes in store we give our customers a pack with the brochures of all 4 brands of heat pumps, a current model/retail price list for all of the heat pumps, and a letter outlining what we can do for you etc . The installer will come to your home & work with you on the location of the unit & what unit is needed - this is the key to getting an economical & efficient heat pump install, the installer knows exactly what kw rating you need & will simply tell you that for you to choose the brand & model OR if you want he will help you select a model . If you get the wrong sized pump or put it in the wrong place it will not heat the room/rooms properly & may cost you a fortune to run - not what we want . He leaves you with an installation price & as mentioned the KW's required or a specific model - with the price list supplied you'll have an idea of the total cost installed . In my store once we see that the quote has been done we follow up with the customer to see what they would like to do & work out when & how they want to pay, finance, cash, visa & sort out flybuys etc . Once the pumps arrive in stock they are either delivered or you pick them up & we arrange the installation day & time . Our installer leaves you with a certificate of compliance once it's all installed & running too . I can't speak for other stores/regions installers but we've had nothing but positive feedback from our customers about or particular installer which is great for us . One thing I can also say is that Fujitsu & Mitsubishi had trouble supplying the quantity of pumps sold in NZ & this lead to some delays in people getting there units installed last year - sometimes up to 8 weeks wait! S we have already had a lot of customers in getting quotes & sorting installs to get in before winter really kicks in! I'm more than happy to organise install quotes & deals etc . for members on here - they are no obligation quotes so if you got one & decided you were't in the position to get it installed this year then that's fine - you have an idea on what it going to cost you . Back to back is $850 in most instances, our most common installs range from $850-$1200 as there are a lot of factors that can alter the amount of work required to install the units . Down south the Hyper Core Mitsubishi's seem to have the upper hand - real work horses in the really cold times, but Fujitsu has been very strong & good quality too . I can be emailed on nlpo69m@nlg . co . nz & can call to sort things if need be . Cheers KiwiMR2	KiwiMR2 (6464)
874838	2010-04-11 05:52:00	Thanks we got a guy, he's gonna give us a call to see us soon :D From what I gather, not sure if the toaster shops have govt discounts. Many of them said they don't but they may offer the HPs at a great price and then I pay whatever install price. Just by looking at the toaster shops, 6kW HPs tend to be around $2.5-3k and then the installation, we need it to be drilled downstairs and piped through the garage then out to the side of the house. We had a few EECA guys came and see us. We've been told that the side of the house may not be that suitable b/c the heat can takes its time to get to the other part of the room, we have a longish rectangle room and a high ceiling more than 5m if not mistaken. Half the room is also in glass. We cannot put it between the lounge and dining room b/c the wall is too thin, we cannot hide the pipes unless it is stuck on the wallpaper :p and we cannot go for a ceiling mounted one b/c the lounge part has no access to the antic. Hence the very high ceiling. So it is either stick it at the far sided wall of the lounge or the dining room and it takes a while to heat up or put it in the centre of the room beside this thin wall then needing to pipe it down stairs and tunnel it through to the outside. We had 2 quotes by EECA. 1st - put it at the lounge far wall. 2nd - is put in middle of room but pay $500 more for extensive installation. Just comparing the price we got from the (discounted) EECA guys it's about the same as the (undiscounted) toaster shop or maybe slightly cheaper than the toaster shops if we take the $3,000 units instead of $2,500. We prob go for the Daikin, b/c it appears more commercial. It supports up to 9 split system, while the Mitsi does 4 I think. They've talked about air-con the whole house as well .... FWIW it appears to be the toaster shops have cheaper items than the installers if you go for a modest strength HP. 4.5kW or under tend to be quite a good buy ....	Nomad (952)
874839	2010-04-11 06:03:00	Nomad, without knowing the design style of your house, have you considered a roof mounted unit ? There is a limitation of sorts on how far away the outside unit is to the inside unit, further away of course more in ducting etc and reduces the overall effectiveness of the set up.	PinoyKiw (9675)
874840	2010-04-11 06:10:00	Not looked at roof design but they don't want it, they are against that. There will be problems with that unless we get a ceiling mounted unit. If we get a wall or self standing unit it's very hard to put the pipes inside the wall and certainly not in the middle of the room b/c the walls are too thin. It's just a door frame thin. Its about a 5m piping for the current setup ... If we get a split system, there is no way you can avoid that. If you aircon the other bedrooms they could be at the other far corner away, unless you have multiple outside units. Edit. Just checked, it's about 3.5m for the lounge HP to the outside unit. No idea about the bedrooms if they wanna do that in the future. Prob go diagonal in the roof space. Corner to corner. B/c the lounge and dining room is the front of the house and bedrooms is at the back.	Nomad (952)
874841	2010-04-11 06:35:00	We looked at a multi split unit and it was going to be more expensive than separate units.....in our case anyway. Same for the childrens bedrooms, two separate units was cheaper than a single multi split. Our lounge has about 5m of piping as we had no where closer to put it. Your walls may be paper thin, our master bedroom was not a easy one to install a unit into as there was not much space in the walls but a bit of creative thinking by the installers over came that. Sometimes they just have to think outside the square. You might also have to reconsider whether you want the unit in that location or another location for the same room, maybe a floor mount could go better rather than a high wall unit or vice versa, maybe rethink and consider ducting through the roof space with ceiling mounted units though that is somewhat more expensive again. The toaster shop guy more or less said our place was not possible to heat pump owing to the design but he was the second of 3 coming to give quotes so we already knew from the first that while there would be some challenges, it was far from impossible which was confirmed by the 3rd who ended up with the work as well.	PinoyKiw (9675)
874842	2010-04-11 08:57:00	It's almost spam from the Toaster Shop guy, but I appreciated his info. My brother and I are considering getting a lower priced unit for the two-room sleepout behind the house. So it's good to hear all comments.	Greg (193)
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