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| Thread ID: 108847 | 2010-04-14 04:59:00 | Attn Gary67 | user (1404) | PC World Chat |
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| 876371 | 2010-04-14 23:45:00 | Rod for mod. He might tidy up the grammar also he is tight on procedure. When I was a kid in NW Nelson I remember the cavers going into the Pierce Valley I think the source of the Pierce stream where it flows out of the side of the hill. Our farm not far away. The cavers came in an old bus, they looked like sacks of **** and they left piles of mt beer bottles. |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 876372 | 2010-04-15 00:14:00 | Thanks Gary, do you know if EK310 has another name. It would have to have been a 400m+ deep cave, which is a significant depth. Was it a recent discovery or an existing hole that was pushed deeper? News reports are so unreliable as the reporters are not familiar with the material and often get things wrong eg initial articles mentioned the cave as being near Murchison yet talked about the Ellis Basin. Just looked in the cave atlas and EK310 is not in there, I don't know if it has another name so will find out, yes I think it is an existing cave, I haven't been to the Ellis system so don't know much about it but I do know it's not near Murch |
gary67 (56) | ||
| 876373 | 2010-04-15 00:57:00 | Yeah, the Bulmer system is the one near Murchison (Mt Owen) which is why this caused some confusion amongst cavers. Whereas the Nettlebed/Ellis systems are on Mt Arthur, nearest to Mot. Prefect: that would have been some years ago. There hasn't been a bus used for cavers for many years now. The Pearse River comes out of the Pearse Resurgence at the base of Mt Arthur. This river is encountered in the Nettlebed cave, entrance close by, around 25km of passage. It is currently one of the deepest trips in the world ito top to bottom entrance height differences. If it was joined to the Ellis Basin System, now over 1km deep, it would make it one of the deepest caves in the world. They share the same stream but a navigable route is yet to be discovered. Cavers are much more environmentally aware nowadays so don't leave trash behind, especially in National Parks. |
user (1404) | ||
| 876374 | 2010-04-15 01:23:00 | It's OK I have noticed Prefect has quite a negative attitude to anything he doesn't enjoy, have asked if EK310 has another name should get a reply today. Two weeks ago I was on a trip that finally reached the bottom of Corkscrew cave on Canaan road, we kept running out of rope before that and the next day went into Middle Earth, planning on heading back into Hodge creek area of Mt Arthur next month | gary67 (56) | ||
| 876375 | 2010-04-15 02:16:00 | Rod for mod. He might tidy up the grammar also he is tight on procedure. When I was a kid in NW Nelson I remember the cavers going into the Pierce Valley I think the source of the Pierce stream where it flows out of the side of the hill. Our farm not far away. The cavers came in an old bus, they looked like sacks of **** and they left piles of mt beer bottles. I never been caving apart from of a couple of times visiting Waitomo which hardly counts. Many times though I have enjoyed various National Parks and I had been taught that you carry out what you carry in. Amazing how 60 - 80 lb packs on the way in weigh less when you go out. Food that was not consumed ( canned ) was left behind so as to help others who may have needed same for survival. |
Sweep (90) | ||
| 876376 | 2010-04-15 02:58:00 | EK310 was a drafting hole found on a previous trip, so has no other name and doesn't appear on the Ellis basin survey. It hasn't been surveyed either but will be next summer probably. I can get no further information at this point in time. I have never left rubbish behind anywhere even if not a national park, yet farmers dump rap everywhere all the time then complain about others doing the same go figure |
gary67 (56) | ||
| 876377 | 2010-04-15 03:01:00 | Yeah, the Bulmer system is the one near Murchison (Mt Owen) which is why this caused some confusion amongst cavers. Whereas the Nettlebed/Ellis systems are on Mt Arthur, nearest to Mot. Prefect: that would have been some years ago. There hasn't been a bus used for cavers for many years now. The Pearse River comes out of the Pearse Resurgence at the base of Mt Arthur. This river is encountered in the Nettlebed cave, entrance close by, around 25km of passage. It is currently one of the deepest trips in the world ito top to bottom entrance height differences. If it was joined to the Ellis Basin System, now over 1km deep, it would make it one of the deepest caves in the world. They share the same stream but a navigable route is yet to be discovered. Cavers are much more environmentally aware nowadays so don't leave trash behind, especially in National Parks. The bus and the scruffy looking cavers who left piles of beer bottles was about 1968. The beer bottles were picked up by Ngatimoti school for school funds. The area they were caving is private land guess 1 queens chain from rivers centreline. In the 70s the cavers used to hire a helicopter and it would take their gear from Dads farm into the hills. Got us local kids interested found a cave on Salisbury open with some Moa bones in it. |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 876378 | 2010-04-15 03:30:00 | The bus and the scruffy looking cavers who left piles of beer bottles was about 1968 . The beer bottles were picked up by Ngatimoti school for school funds . The area they were caving is private land guess 1 queens chain from rivers centreline . In the 70s the cavers used to hire a helicopter and it would take their gear from Dads farm into the hills . Got us local kids interested found a cave on Salisbury open with some Moa bones in it . Serious exploration of Nettlebed was in the 70's, using choppers to ferry the gear in . It was not a National Park back in those days . Exploration shifted to the Ellis Basin and Mt Owen in the 80's and 90's, still flying from close to the Pearse River road end into the Ellis (actually, from Sid's chopper operation close by) . I have been in the cave you mention (close to Salisbury Hut) many years ago, but without my caving gear, just a torch . Nowadays, with the area being a National Park, there are restrictions on how many flights can be made to fly the gear in and out . There is also a written code of conduct on how to minimise camping in the areas of interest (Bulmer Lake and the Ellis Basin) written by cavers . Food tends not to be left now since each following party takes in their own food and does not consume food caches left previously . It has been many years since I last caved in Nettlebed, the Ellis or Bulmer, although our club is thinking of a Nettlebed trip later this year . . . Gary, I don't think I have been in Corkscrew but I may be mistaken . Is it a cave about 20m from a left hand bend in the road? I may have been in it for a rigging practise trip (or was it Dogleg?) . I have enjoyed trips into Middle Earth, Greenlink/Swissmaid and Harwood Hole amongst others on the Takaka Hill . I cycled up the hill last summer and visited the NSG hut for a touch of nostalgia . |
user (1404) | ||
| 876379 | 2010-04-15 03:34:00 | Your thinking of dogleg corkscrew is on the right of the road about the same place then half hour walk. If you want to PM me and I can send you a google earth link to corkscrrew | gary67 (56) | ||
| 876380 | 2010-04-15 07:39:00 | I see this has just been on 3 news and they got the location right this time the Ellis Basin is near Nelson | gary67 (56) | ||
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