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| Thread ID: 108816 | 2010-04-12 22:53:00 | Freeview HD on TVNZ: really HD? | utopian201 (6245) | PC World Chat |
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| 875864 | 2010-04-12 22:53:00 | Hi Last night I watched The Pacific on One on Freeview HD. I know TVNZ (One, 2) are broadcast in 720, while TV3 is broadcast in 1080. My TV is a 40" Sony Bravia, capable of full HD (1920x1080) As far as I'm aware, there aren't any 1080 programs broadcast on TV3, so all HD programs on any Freeview HD channel are 720. But I get the feeling that TVNZ's HD programs aren't really HD, compared to the HD programs on 3. For example I caught one episode of Bones on TV3, and it was noticeably sharper than other programs. I'm pretty sure Bones isn't broadcast in 1080, but it definitely looks sharper than anything on TVNZ eg Lost (yes I'm still following ), The Pacific etc. Basically it feels like TV3's 720HD programs look better than TVNZ's 720HD. Has anyone else noticed this or is it just me? |
utopian201 (6245) | ||
| 875865 | 2010-04-13 00:30:00 | Hi Last night I watched The Pacific on One on Freeview HD. I know TVNZ (One, 2) are broadcast in 720, while TV3 is broadcast in 1080. My TV is a 40" Sony Bravia, capable of full HD (1920x1080) As far as I'm aware, there aren't any 1080 programs broadcast on TV3, so all HD programs on any Freeview HD channel are 720. All programming on TV3 is 1080i *your panel however is 1080p capable. And in terms of HD programs, NCIS, Bones, House are all HD (with 5.1) But I get the feeling that TVNZ's HD programs aren't really HD, compared to the HD programs on 3. For example I caught one episode of Bones on TV3, and it was noticeably sharper than other programs. I'm pretty sure Bones isn't broadcast in 1080, but it definitely looks sharper than anything on TVNZ eg Lost (yes I'm still following ), The Pacific etc. Basically it feels like TV3's 720HD programs look better than TVNZ's 720HD. Has anyone else noticed this or is it just me? PersonallY thought the 720p looks pretty good off TV1/2. Haven't watched the pacific yet (recorded it in HD last night). And not sure how it compares to some of the good HD shows of TV3 - CSI miami I like as a demo show - bright photography, blue skys etc. TVNZ shows tend to be darker so an direct comparison is not possible....and a lot of it is subjective. Also 720p should be better than 1080i.....as 720p means that 720 lines are displayed at once...whereas 1080i means that 576 lines are displayed and then another 576. Again it's pretty subjective... |
psycik (12851) | ||
| 875866 | 2010-04-13 00:48:00 | What he said. Also, on TVNZ, if the program is being broadcast in native 720p, then it has the HD logo alongside the watermark for the channel. It could be that you're just watching shows better suited to 1080i (I.E. slow moving, etc) than 720p. |
ubergeek85 (131) | ||
| 875867 | 2010-04-13 02:26:00 | Some "HD" programming is just upscalled SD. Even true 720 etc can have so much compression that its no better than SD |
sroby (11519) | ||
| 875868 | 2010-04-13 02:41:00 | Some "HD" programming is just upscalled SD. Even true 720 etc can have so much compression that its no better than SD Thats kinda what geekster said in that true HD programs have the HD logo next to the station ID. |
psycik (12851) | ||
| 875869 | 2010-04-13 02:54:00 | True, true. On freeveiw website, they say HD is 720, 1080. This has little to do with actual quality of picture (original question). Due to bandwidth requirements, Im sure they compress the heck out it. Even youtube now supports 720. I dont think anyone would call that real HD. Some handheld devices can record movie files to 720, the result still being rather poor quality. I guess its all dependent on the true definition of HD |
sroby (11519) | ||
| 875870 | 2010-04-13 03:12:00 | ok, this is the problem: www.geekzone.co.nz www.jayx.co.nz One and 2 are simply upscaled to 720p, while TV3 is actually 1080i. So I'm definitely not just seeing things! |
utopian201 (6245) | ||
| 875871 | 2010-04-13 03:20:00 | ok, this is the problem: www.geekzone.co.nz www.jayx.co.nz One and 2 are simply upscaled to 720p, while TV3 is actually 1080i. So I'm definitely not just seeing things! Read my first post again where I explained the lines.... Anything above 576i is "HD". 576i is what the old PAL analogue system runs in. 720p is HD, 1080i is HD. The best HD currently is 1080p. But this is too large for broadcast hence it is only available on bluray. A lot of tv1 and tv2 is upscaled yes....The News and Shorty St are upscaled. And I find the shorty st upscaling very good. The Pacific however is an HD broadcast program, as in it is being broadcast it its native resolution, no upscaling. I believe on tvnz that criminal minds, cold case are broadcast natively in HD. I'm not sure of what else, but it's not a lot. Also tv3 only shows Bones, House, Modern Family, Survivor in HD currently, everything else is also upscaled (there's more but you get the picture, it's not a lot). To compare HD to non HD....compare tv1 to c4 or prime, these are still running 576i. |
psycik (12851) | ||
| 875872 | 2010-04-13 04:56:00 | The Pacific however is an HD broadcast program, as in it is being broadcast it its native resolution, no upscaling. I believe on tvnz that criminal minds, cold case are broadcast natively in HD. I'm not sure of what else, but it's not a lot. I was meaning programs with the 'HD' logo on TVNZ are simply upscaled to 720p, not 720p native. Everything else without the HD logo is left as it originally was. It -is- noticably blurrier than the upscaled stuff, but it still pales in comparison to programs on TV3 |
utopian201 (6245) | ||
| 875873 | 2010-04-13 07:39:00 | I was meaning programs with the 'HD' logo on TVNZ are simply upscaled to 720p, not 720p native. Think you'll find your wrong.. |
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