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Thread ID: 108986 2010-04-19 09:23:00 How many times a day do you reboot your computer? Ice Road Trucker (15659) PC World Chat
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878049 2010-04-19 21:58:00 Is Ice Road Trucker = Radium?

No.
Ice Road Trucker (15659)
878050 2010-04-19 23:41:00 at work i re-boot every day, right before i go home.
this is a win2k box.

at home I only re-boot on patch tuesday.
this is a winXP box.
robsonde (120)
878051 2010-04-20 00:06:00 One little computer current up time is 4351 hrs since last reboot, that was when we had a prolonged power outage and the UPS ran out of steam. (Naturally, this has no MS products on it.) Others run as required, usually get turned on and stay on until time for my bed. I would prefer to leave them all running 24/7 to minimise cyclic heat stress but the heat, noise and power consumption of that scheme are against the theory in practise.

National Semiconductor (I think) a few years ago put out a failure analysis that broadly said contamination of the die caused most problems involving chip failure. The contamination arises from thermal cycling stressing the metal-to-resin package boundaries causing mechanical bond failure. Thermal cycling (again) causes ingress of contaminant-laden moisture which does miscellaneous nasty deeds to the chip surface and leads.

The recommendation was to minimise the number and range of the thermal cycles by avoiding unnecessary shut-downs and ensuring good ventilation with clean air. Cleaning of the circuit boards was mentioned as a "good thing" provided that static charges were dealt to appropriately since static damage during service is another large cause of failures. Perhaps we should be grateful for a humid climate that helps mitigate damage caused when we get lax with anti-static precautions, but high humidity brings the moisture in that does the damage on the cool part of the cycle. Passive components have different rules, capacitors and resistors tend to be life limited mainly in running time and electrical stress levels. For everything, hotter is worse, much worse. The whole shebang is a plot to mean "Do whatever you like, it will be wrong".
Fortunately for reliability, we have got rid of valves, high voltage, mud resistors and paper capacitors along with germanium transistors (which were only just better than valves).
R2x1 (4628)
878052 2010-04-20 00:50:00 My Asus lappie has been running about 6 weeks non-stop, with one exception, and that was when I did a Vista update that required a reboot. Greg (193)
878053 2010-04-20 01:13:00 I restart when installing updates, that's about it.

If I want to switch off I user hibernation..
Agent_24 (57)
878054 2010-04-20 01:19:00 My Asus lappie has been running about 6 weeks non-stop, with one exception, and that was when I did a Vista update that required a reboot.

Pretty good for Vista!!

My father's machine on Vista - crashes every couple of days. Trying to convince him to go to Win7...
johcar (6283)
878055 2010-04-20 01:35:00 Judging from network uptime... 7 days 21 hours. And that only means I haven't taken my laptop out for over a week. I'm sure it's been running longer.


Edit:

Systeminfo | Find "System Boot Time"
System Boot Time: 02/04/2010, 4:01:54 p.m.

Damn that's not too bad.
Cato (6936)
878056 2010-04-20 03:47:00 My experience is that the ones that stay on all the time generally last longer than the on/off ones.

Of course it depends on the operating environment and a lot of other factors, but I suspect that the thermal expansion & contraction of all those soldered joints twice a day will take their toll over time.

Constant temp = happy components. :)

x3

I never turn mine off, except when I have to reboot to clear out the ram etc, perhaps once a week on XP.

Also I have my pc in a little room and find that leaving it on helps to keep the room a bit warmer in the mornings. (econo-heater ?) 350W PS ?
Digby (677)
878057 2010-04-20 04:04:00 Fortunately for reliability, we have got rid of valves, high voltage, mud resistors and paper capacitors along with germanium transistors (which were only just better than valves) .

Don't knock old technology, it will still be operating when today's state of the ark is dead and buried .

I have valves here that are up to 90 years old and still in good working condition . I have 70+ year old radios that still run well .

Moving forward in time to the more recent past, I have 50 year old transistor radios still in good working condition, and they have never been serviced, just put in fresh batteries and away they go . They are full of those dreadful germanium transistors too, and I have some of the very early 'production' mid-1950's germanium transistors (NOS) that test just fine .

Bakelite was one of the first plastics, if not THE first plastic, and it doesn't decay after a few years in the sun; you can bury it for decades, dig it up, clean and polish it and it will be as good as new . Don't leave modern plastics in the sun, they can't take it .

None of this old stuff is anything special, the only unusual thing about these items is that they got put somewhere and forgotten for a decade or several, then reappeared when the old homestead was cleared out or some similar domestic archaeological expedition uncovered them .

It would be interesting to review today's technology in the year 2060 or 2100 and see how much is still working .

Cheers

Billy 8-{) :D
Billy T (70)
878058 2010-04-20 04:14:00 My PC runs normally 24/7 except after updates when I reboot to apply changes. Sweep (90)
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