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1153081	2010-11-15 21:09:00	According to Speedtest, my connection is twice as fast as the national average! Then I can waste my new 20GB cap even faster!! I hope Telecom brings some better plans out soon...	Agent_24 (57)
1153082	2010-11-15 21:13:00	Lol, its an epic naming system. Very-high-bitrate digital subscriber like :P I'm looking forward to it.	nerd (109)
1153083	2010-11-15 21:25:00	Some of the ISP's have done upgrades, or more to the point allowed higher speeds my speed test On Telstra Cable www.speedtest.net being in wellington but just outside the telstra network, i was gutted but these days with ADSL2+ for the same price (for some ISPs), it's great, I'm achieving 11Mbit now for a price slightly cheaper than Telstra :D i do like telstra's BB option to have no phoneline and you pay exactly for what BB is unlike how nDSL works. althou that is the minority of customers maybe for single households, or young couples. i gather most would want a local ph no. of another ...	Nomad (952)
1153084	2010-11-15 21:27:00	VDSL (en.wikipedia.org) New Zealand New Zealand VDSL will be released within a one kilometre range of the Auckland city exchange by Vodafone, who plans to extend coverage after this 'test'. Testing also occurring for friendly users in Glenfield and Ponsonby. VDSL2 announced by TelstraClear on 16 October 2008, will be released in seven main centres, including Wellington, Christchurch, Auckland, and Napier. With speeds of up to 30 Mbit/s symmetrical. From March 2009, VDSL2 line cards will be progressively installed into all roadside cabinets and local telephone exchanges in towns and cities with more than 500 lines by Telecom. From 27 May 2010 Telecom NZ will be launching a VDSL2 Technical Trial and will also be followed up with a Soft and Full launch in the months following. Just looking at the dates, Telstra says 2008, umm ... Telstra to date (2010) hasn't provided offerings yet right? Or is that for businesses? This thing requires a new modem right? And, the monthly cost would certainly be more right?	Nomad (952)
1153085	2010-11-15 22:03:00	OK here's the skinny on VDSL2 and the Telecom Maps: - They aim to have done within 90 days either side of that expected date. My sources tell me that they're rolling out everything even faster than the expected dates, but just not enabling them until the expected time (Because there's big Govt fines if they miss the deadlines I believe -- Thank the Labour Govt for that). - Provided you're on an ADSL2+ plan, with a (Good) ADSL2+ modem, and your ISP is simply wholesaling services off Telecom, then your connection will be physically moved to the new Cabinet around that date and you'll notice the speed improvements. - If your ISP doesn't, for example if you're with Vodafone / Orcon / TelstraClear who all have equipment in the Exchange, then you'll be running off the Exchange still until they put their own gear in the Whisper Cabinet. Or, if your ISP is reselling off one of those 3 (I think WxC may also be included but I'm not 100%), then you'll still be running off the exchange - VDSL2 is still under technical trials with Telecom. Unfortunately even though I was asked to participate, because my area hasn't got the Whisper cabinets in, and I'm too far from the main exchange, I couldn't participate. Here's what I do know about it: -- This is going to be a premium service. ADSL2+ currently is pretty "free for all", but with VDSL2 they're tightening the reigns a lot to make it higher quality. -- You *must* get a line splitter, no filters allowed. Rules out all the issues people have with them. -- You will require a new modem. From what I understand they've currently got two modems that are "approved". Anything else and I believe they won't give you service (For example if you try importing your own). I'm not sure if they're subsidizing them, fully paying for them, or simply giving you the choice of two. Time will tell, but I wouldn't bother worrying about it costing you an arm and a leg, it likely won't. -- VDSL2 will cost similar to ADSL2+, but potentially a little more (Maybe $10 a month? I'm speculating here based on vague unofficial but semi-reliable recollections of the Geek Exchange Tour). I'm not sure about the data plans or anything at this point in time. Either way, it's a buttload cheaper than TelstraClear. -- They'll do line-checks prior to allowing you to have VDSL2. If you can't get an arbitrary speed they're setting as their "limit", then they'll insist that you take ADSL2+, so as not to "tarnish" the name so to speak. All in all, what they're doing is really re-branding broadband in NZ. None of this crap that people have been dealing with such as congested exchanges and insufficient backhaul. They're really, honestly making this a world-class product! When people talk of VDSL2, you're going to know that they're getting good speeds and consistent throughput. Currently when people talk of ADSL2+, they could still be connecting at like 2m/bit, via an ISP that's got highly limited international bandwidth etc etc ... From what I understand this won't be the case with VDSL2, and all the requirements that Telecom are placing on themselves are with the customers best interests in mind, to make it a solid product that you can really brag about having. They're really lifting the standards, and it's all coming from their new vision in the last 12-24 months, internally the company has changed significantly for the better, and if you know anything about their cabinetization rollout and the VDSL2 program, you'll agree. Call them the devil, I don't care if you're mis-informed, but I'm just saying what I know, and why I think VDSL2 is going to be awesome! One thing I'm not sure of: The Govt is aiming for their FTTH program to reach 70% of NZ by 2020 (Like that's gonna happen at this rate). Telecom I believe is aiming for 80% of NZ by the end of 2011 to consistently achieve speeds over 10m/bit+. I'm not sure if they're going to allow VDSL2 speeds to get down that low (In otherwords if you can only attain 12m/bit via VDSL2 because of your distance from the Cabinet / Exchange, they may simply suggest you stick with ADSL2+ to get those speeds instead), but my source tells me that the rollout is chugging along *real* well, just like the TV Ads say, and by the end of next year most people should have some pretty damn good broadband. If you don't, then one of the first things you're going to ask yourself is "Who is my ISP?". </spiel> Disclaimer:I don't work for Telecom, I don't get anything for writing what I do. I'm just calling it how I see it, a spade as a spade and whatnot. Feel free to disagree with what I've written, I honestly don't care. What's written isn't gospel, and doesn't even specifically have the blessing of Telecom, it's not an official announcement or anything etc etc	Chilling_Silence (9)
1153086	2010-11-15 22:14:00	Current TelstraClear VDSL2 BizNet pricing: $49.95 a month for up to 10m/bit down & 2m/bit up (VDSL2), comes with no data $34.95 for a 20GB data pack Or if you want faster: $399.95 a month for up to 30m/bit down and 7m/bit up (VDSL2), also comes with no data ... Imagine what 100m/bit Fibre through CFH will be? :D Anyways, it's not "official" but the Telecom plans from what I've heard will be around $10 per-month more expensive than their current ADSL2+ counterparts. I don't believe they're going to be placing restrictions on the download / upload speeds, just whatever your line can attain (At least I believe that's what was discussed during the Geek Exchange Tour, I doubt if it's changed though).	Chilling_Silence (9)
1153087	2010-11-15 22:26:00	Current TelstraClear VDSL2 BizNet pricing: $49.95 a month for up to 10m/bit down & 2m/bit up (VDSL2), comes with no data $34.95 for a 20GB data pack Or if you want faster: $399.95 a month for up to 30m/bit down and 7m/bit up (VDSL2), also comes with no data ... Imagine what 100m/bit Fibre through CFH will be? :D Anyways, it's not "official" but the Telecom plans from what I've heard will be around $10 per-month more expensive than their current ADSL2+ counterparts. I don't believe they're going to be placing restrictions on the download / upload speeds, just whatever your line can attain (At least I believe that's what was discussed during the Geek Exchange Tour, I doubt if it's changed though). Is that under Telstra's business site? Is VDSL not cable Telstra? Tesltra offers cable residential 15/2 down/up with 20GB for $56. I am assuming VDSL2 is diff to cable and that is only in the CBD?	Nomad (952)
1153088	2010-11-15 22:43:00	Thanks for that info, Chill. Interesting and informative (taking into account your caveats!).	linw (53)
1153089	2010-11-15 22:44:00	I currently get rubbish upstream speeds, 700KB/s I think is the best, usually around 500KB/s, however the downstream is around 15MB/s, so hopefully VDSL2 will bring some leveling to the streams....	SolMiester (139)
1153090	2010-11-16 20:04:00	VDSL2 is different from Cable, totally different technologies, however they offer their Cable at the same price as VDSL2. Both technologies have very limited places where they are available from TelstraClear. www.telstraclear.co.nz	Chilling_Silence (9)
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