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Thread ID: 109514	2010-05-11 18:46:00	Need A SERIOUS Expert Answer	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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883971	2010-05-12 03:18:00	I'd wait 'til someone takes delivery of one before coughing up the bucks. Their website is still 'under construction'...apparently since 2006!! www.acousticamplification.com ??	PaulD (232)
883972	2010-05-12 03:25:00	I see, the one linked in wikipedia is different, apparently. www.acousticcontrolcorporation.com	KarameaDave (15222)
883973	2010-05-12 03:26:00	So are these supposed to be new builds of old amps, or old stock rediscovered? As I said before, post a link to the original image and we might see more. I can't see anything wrong with them being pictured in an appliance sales/repair shop though, if the original manufacturer disappeared long ago, the seller might simply be an enthusiast who discovered the mother lode out back of some warehouse. However, if they are new builds, I'd expect a somewhat better environment for the publicity photos. What does his ad say? Cheers Billy 8-{)	Billy T (70)
883974	2010-05-12 03:37:00	very expensive amplifiers They are very good price if you ask me, and I've bought quite a bit of band gear over the years a 'leaked' photo that is of something that may or may not exist what??? I do wonder what you are talking about sometimes :groan: www.guitarcenter.com in fact, there's 2 guitarcenter shops that have them within 40 miles of you Guitar Center San Marcos 712 Center Dr. San Marcos, California 92069 Phone: 760-735-8050 Guitar Center Murrieta 24370 Village Walk Murrieta, California 92562 Phone: 951-698-9200 and would be in a number of "appliance" type shops as well I'd say, as they are in the right price range for them to sell of course, these are not the same original acoustic produced gear...	bevy121 (117)
883975	2010-05-12 03:47:00	what??? I do wonder what you are talking about sometimes :groan: www.guitarcenter.com The stuff in SurferJoe's photo looks more old school than anything in the current line up. The blue panel widths are different on the speakers, the amps have blue at the ends of the front panel.	PaulD (232)
883976	2010-05-12 03:49:00	I see, the one linked in wikipedia is different, apparently. www.acousticcontrolcorporation.com That's all that remains of the old company.	PaulD (232)
883977	2010-05-12 04:02:00	yep - would agree with you there Paul, the blue panels on the bins in his pic are the original look ones, don't have an answer for that one!	bevy121 (117)
883978	2010-05-12 04:10:00	Perhaps some more light is necessary . The OLD Acoustic company died about 1972 or so . Fine and dandy . Then there's the Gen-II Acoustic ( . com/contact . cfm" target="_blank">acousticamplification . com) stuff - some of which I own and admire for it's power:price ratio . I got a call from the president of the NEW (NOT Gen-II) Acoustic company - and he's adamant about bringing out new amps and cabs with the old-style logos (which he owns) and the name (which he ALSO owns) but with improved electronics and some of the same ol' grit and grind capacity of the original amps/heads/cases . He has a warehouse full of these and wants to get the cash flowing, for good and justifiable reasons . There are some 'secret' things that are slowly coming to light as leaks appear in the bubble of secrecy and 'testing' and UL approvals . He could sell them without the approvals, but his manufacturer's insurance would go zonk if he did . His statement: "I'm waiting for UL and CSL approvals, and then they go to market" . Strange thing is that UL/CSL approvals never take more than a few months at most unless there's something seriously wrong with the design and they cause vestigial organs to fall off . Those in the pix I posted are the NEW Acoustic GCG Company amps/cabs - and like I said, the guy in the pix is supposed to be a professional and big banded bass player (and endorser for) the cabs . So:: a scorecard::: Acoustic by Guitar Center ( . com/contact . cfm" target="_blank">acousticamplification . com) is NOT what I am talking about here . Guitar Center ( . guitarcenter . com/) is an owner/partner" target="_blank">www . guitarcenter . com/) is an owner of the Gen-II Acoustic gear . The OLD Gen-I Acoustics amps/cabs are long gone, longed for, but limited in their very existence by now anyway . The NEW Acoustics (GCG Corp) is supposedly a BIG concern with mega dollars and investors waiting and chomping at the bit to ship . The NEW Acoustics (GCG Corp) amps are supposedly very good quality with the original designer on the payroll - which they don't even have yet, a 'payroll' that is . The NEW Acoustic (GCG Corp) cabs/amps look LIKE the old ones - big as a refrigerator and as heavy . The blue color was updated a little . I'd do something almost unspeakable to get one of the NEW Acoustic (GCG Corp) 370 combo cabs or a head and the 115 and another 410 or 810 cab to go with it . <sigh> These 18 incher folded horn cabs will seriously flap your socks and sonically undress unsuspecting people at 50 feet and 300 Watts with the volume knob at 12 o'clock .	SurferJoe46 (51)
883979	2010-05-12 04:43:00	Perhaps some more light is necessary . The OLD Acoustic company died about 1972 or so . Fine and dandy . Then there's the Gen-II Acoustic ( . com/contact . cfm" target="_blank">acousticamplification . com) stuff - some of which I own and admire for it's power:price ratio . Your timeline doesn't seem to match Wikipedia "Acoustic Control Corporation went out of business in the 1980s, then returned under the name True Tone Audio as a manufacturer of P . A . amplifiers . Latter-day employee and designer Steve Rabe went on to establish specialist bass amplifier manufacturer SWR (now owned by Fender Musical Instruments Corporation) in 1984, then Raven Labs in 1998 . Acoustic has come back in 2007 under the name Acoustic Amplification with the models: B20 and AB50 . They currently have new models out on their new website . " Only 3 years and the 2nd iteration is gone? Do they know? :D	PaulD (232)
883980	2010-05-12 05:26:00	Your timeline doesn't seem to match Wikipedia "Acoustic Control Corporation went out of business in the 1980s, then returned under the name True Tone Audio as a manufacturer of P.A. amplifiers. Latter-day employee and designer Steve Rabe went on to establish specialist bass amplifier manufacturer SWR (now owned by Fender Musical Instruments Corporation) in 1984, then Raven Labs in 1998. Acoustic has come back in 2007 under the name Acoustic Amplification with the models: B20 and AB50. They currently have new models out on their new website." Only 3 years and the 2nd iteration is gone? Do they know? :D The year of demise was just a guess - but I'll say that they didn't have much marketing footprint from about 1972 or so, since I was still playing Surf and C/W venues and their amps/cabs were old and there wasn't any new stuff that I can remember. I think that Fender (which I believe was also under the CBS hammer at the time and not the original company of Leo's) also dropped or completely swallowed the ex-Acoustic people up. In either/all cases then - it really was a hectic time for amps/guitars and their ilk. All that corporation ideology and bean-counting made some pretty flaky stuff. I met Leo Fender a couple of times as I lived right down the street from his factory in Fullerton and was under the guns of CBS even though they didn't seem to exercise much control for a couple of years yet - this was about 1968 before I went into the Navy. He was quite despondent about the loss of control to his company in about 1966 or so, according to vague memories of those few minutes of conversation with him. He never was a musician and never played any of his own instruments. He was an electrical engineer and just wanted to build guitars. The company (Acoustic) went out of business in the 1980’s and the trade name was sold to True Tone Audio. Steve Marks founded SWR amplification and sold it to the Fender Musical Instrument Corporation. Fender then sold SWR to Raven amplifiers in the late 1990’s. Thinking back - I bet they still existed as an in-paper-only company and just went fallow. That's where the name went up for grabs and was bought/bartered/traded for a sixpence or a double in a bar somewhere. Currently there are three companies with that "Acoustic" moniker :: The Gen-II stuff from Guitar Center and Musician's Fried (a Guitar Center subsidiary) and one other retailer that escapes my memory at the mo. There's a strictly acoustic amplifications company that makes and sell gear for non-electrified instruments. I'm not even counting them. Then there's the resurrected (so to speak) OLD Acoustic Corp, now under the name/ownership of G.P.G. Co. Inc., 213 Main St., Greenville, Pa. 16125. They are the new marketers/manufacturers of the gear that looks amazingly like the OLD Acoustic stuff. That use-of license is approved, and quite frankly since the old name and logos are owned by the president of the G.P.C Corp, they can use it with no legal problems at all. They appear to want to be called: 'Acoustic USA' for purposes of separation from the Gen-II stuff, which they thoroughly eschew. So references to Acoustic should only render two companies in one's mind at the moment: The overseas version from Korea/Indonesia: Acoustic Amplification - and the other is Acoustic USA with Made-In-USA tags on them.	SurferJoe46 (51)
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