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| Thread ID: 147567 | 2019-01-23 02:08:00 | Global Heating. | SurferJoe46 (51) | PC World Chat |
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| 1457542 | 2019-01-23 21:01:00 | I've always thought any attempt to clean up our act and reduce human impact on the environment is a good thing, regardless of what's happening to the climate. I tend to believe the consensus of the experts that we are contributing to climate change, but also accept that it's probable none of the predictions will turn out to be 100% correct. I don't think anyone is truly objective, and claiming to be doesn't necessarily get supported by the arguments we've seen thus far. I think doing things like conflating the plastic bag issue with climate change is a fairly weak attempt to deliberately confuse two separate issues, or just a general misunderstanding. I honestly think we are a danger to ourselves, we put human life above all other life to our own detriment. We continue to grow and expand as if there is infinite space to do so, and base our whole economy and therefore lifestyle on the concept of growth. We consume the planets resources at an ever increasing rate with only token efforts at sustainability here and there, and we ignore the lessons of past civilisations that have collapsed under their own weight and dissappeared into history after growing past their own ability to sustain themselves. Instead we just keep finding new ways to exploit resources more efficiently and keep raising what the sustainable limit is. Regardless of whether global warming is man made, or if it will result in disaster, we are heading at ever increasing speed to a point where something has to give and doing bugger all about it. There are already places in the world where the smog and pollution is so bad that the air is unhealthy to breathe much of the time. By all means lets all rush toward that and embrace our future. |
dugimodo (138) | ||
| 1457543 | 2019-01-24 01:08:00 | I've always thought any attempt to clean up our act and reduce human impact on the environment is a good thing I honestly think we are a danger to ourselves, we put human life above all other life to our own detriment. We continue to grow and expand as if there is infinite space to do so, and base our whole economy and therefore lifestyle on the concept of growth. We consume the planets resources at an ever increasing rate with only token efforts at sustainability here and there, and we ignore the lessons of past civilisations that have collapsed under their own weight and dissappeared into history after growing past their own ability to sustain themselves. . +1 We forget it's an eco-system, Without bees, flies even, indeed all the other beings, we can't survive. |
piroska (17583) | ||
| 1457544 | 2019-01-24 02:34:00 | Certain unnamed members here who/whom might believe that I am some sort of religious zealot should hear that I think mankind is a fly on the back of an elephant when it comes to climate and the desire to control or repair it . I hold no dislike for those who are so disingenuously motivated, but it does chagrin me - if that be a possible verb-slash-gerund usage there . What I dislike is being second-guessed as to my attitude or book-learnin' . However much the fly might be bothersome, it is hardly capable of driving the elephant to his knees or lifting his backside up from where he sits . I neither preach world doom lest there be nothing for the meek to inherit if it were so . I state my plebeian case solely from a human lack of factual and logical insight concerning climate poisoning (what I call "Climate Heating" or "Climate Cooling"} . . . nor do I pontificate over the way we: the collective, treat "good ol' mother earth" . It's not in our domain anyway to make a fig's worth of difference to the planet . . whatever we do . The planet's too big for us to be more than a shrug-off for the elephant anyway . But we already went over that . However if it makes one feel warm, fuzzy and piously penitent by flailing or lashing oneself (or someone else!) is something one likes to do - then have at it . I'm not gonna bust any bubbles here, nor am I going to conflate any either . Frankly, the way I see it, things can go whatever way they do and if divine intervention is needed or required, then it will come . So be it . That's not my choice - er, concerning making anyone a proselyte to a false catechism of self-debasement for policies that they have little accord for, with or about . One can do or don't do as one sees fit . Go for it, but don't worry about the earth - and having said that - I still think plastic bags are a bad idea . . . . . and I say that . . . not just for that time one ruined my outboard engine . They are ugly flopping up on the beaches, fouling our rivers and they are not a decent foodstuff for an animal to consume . [/soapbox] Next chapter: Plastic soft drink straws . |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 1457545 | 2019-01-24 04:17:00 | Next chapter: Plastic soft drink straws. :p :devil I just don't understand why some people can be so opposed to going clean and green - regardless of whether or not climate change was a thing or not, it is great idea to not be filling the waterways, earth, and air with crap. Unless certain individuals have large sums of money invested in a betting agency that the temperature will not reach a certain degree despite current trends, then why not? There are plenty of clever individuals that have argued, shown data, performed studies, lied through their teeth, and sought to deceive with skewed data on each side of the story, and one of those sides of the story will be correct and one will be wrong. The consequences of one group being wrong isn't going to result in anything bad happening to this planet - we all get to live in a cleaner environment, boo hoo! The consequences of the other group being wrong is... well who knows, no one can predict exactly what might happen but some suggestions don't look exactly like a box of chocolates. No one on this planet knows with 100% certainty what will happen and for someone to be so arrogant to claim they know - well this person must be able to see into the future so go buy a lotto ticket! |
Bozo (8540) | ||
| 1457546 | 2019-01-24 04:41:00 | Certain unnamed members here who/whom might believe that I am some sort of religious zealot[/B][/U] I have no Idea if I'm among those you mention, but just in case understand that none of my comments were aimed at you and I make no assumptions about your beliefs. I will disagree with your analogy though. We are less significant that a fly on an elephant individually, more like a microscopic single cell organism. But there are 7.6 billion of us and growing at an exponential rate. Eventually we will run out of space or crush the elephant. Here's some food for thought www.theworldcounts.com Look around at all the beautiful countryside we haven't ruined yet, except a lot of it we have. We have destroyed entire eco systems, cut down ancient forests that stood for millennia, hunted species to extinction, or just displaced them and devastated their populations. A lot of the wide open spaces and farmland we see used to be wild forest but farms suit us better. Our effect on the environment is massive and easily observed. That fly of yours would have to spray paint the elephants head red, build tiny structures all over it's body, and mine it's body for useful resources, to come anywhere near being an accurate analogy. Don't get me wrong, I mostly like modern human society. I just personally feel like we should leave a reasonable amount of the planet alone to do it's thing without us and try not to destroy the parts we do use. |
dugimodo (138) | ||
| 1457547 | 2019-01-24 04:54:00 | Good that's established, so what is all the fuss about? Read the rest of the statement that followed this... stop cherry picking individual sentences and quoting them out of context. Scientists have long known that these mini Ice Ages and warming are caused by the Earth tilting fractionally on its axis. Not a Plastic Bag to be found. That is why some scientists are worried. These mini Ice Ages have come and gone in the past based on the Earth's natural trip through the solar system. Now they are observing faster and more rapid warming and extremes in temperature than previously recorded or historical data points to - which is why they are concerned. Has all this extra rubbish that mankind has put into the environment exacerbated the natural cooling/warming of Earth - and if so what are the negative implications of this? Very emotive, but do you realise that Plant Life would actually like 20% more CO2 which is why they use CO2 generators in Greenhouses. Would all plant life like 20% more CO2? I am no botanist but I can't help but feel some species of plant life may not appreciate greenhouse conditions. Sort of why we find vastly different plant (and animal) life in warmer/cooler wetter/drier parts of the world. Something-something-ecosystem...? More on that here: www.bitsofscience.org There are also studies that have debunked the oversimplified myth of ‘CO2 is plant food’: www.theguardian.com Also here: phys.org A waste of time arguing with a self confessed Bozo but just for fun. Some of us are harder to brainwash than self confessed Bozo's. Are you a Mann made Bozo? :) 3 jabs at the name, fair enough didn't realise a forum handle defined ones credentials on climate change discussion... and yes I know it was tongue in cheek. Anyway, lets say those of us who think climate change has been affected by man, and we clean up the world, switch to cleaner/greener alternatives - how does this affect you? The government hasn't started taxing us for each fart we do, and god help us all if they do... |
Bozo (8540) | ||
| 1457548 | 2019-01-24 05:08:00 | dugi --- you and I have always had smooth, friendly communications or so. Certainly I do NOT enumerate you as an antagonist, quite the contrary. Rest assured that I find your comments refreshing and introspective if not downright illuminating. I can only say nice things about you. |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 1457549 | 2019-01-24 05:14:00 | Bozo ---> I'm putting you on my "Friends" wall --- oh ---> please, don't protest ---> I like what you said although I have a strange mental image of the name --- which --- in Rightsideup Land, is very funny.... unless that damned clown infiltrated Upsidedown Land and for that I can only apologize --- heartily! Sorry. Sorry for the damned clown. It wasn't me. |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 1457550 | 2019-01-24 06:06:00 | Gary ... you actually made a post without slagging John Key :devil Are you feeling ok? Was feeling terrible yesterday, but I'm much improved today. As an aside I don't care who worships who Joe, I'm not blaming you for anything as you are one of our more reasoned members who contributes stuff that is actually worth reading. |
gary67 (56) | ||
| 1457551 | 2019-01-24 07:19:00 | TY Gary............. I don't always post things that go over in Upsidedown Land - but it's my brash writing technique and perhaps a little of H Allen Smith in me. It's a tough audience here: sometimes I can't tell if it's a mortician's convention or an oil painting ---> but I can always count on you for at least reading what I post ---- ;p Again --- TY from my heart. |
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