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| Thread ID: 150793 | 2022-07-16 22:05:00 | Petrol | piroska (17583) | PC World Chat |
| Post ID | Timestamp | Content | User | ||
| 1487433 | 2022-07-18 05:31:00 | I did and its still the same, just the last few years since GFC have been better. You dont know how lucky you are. |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 1487434 | 2022-07-18 05:59:00 | "You don't know how lucky we are You don't know how propitious are the circumstances Frederick " (Thanks to Fred Dagg!!) |
kenj (9738) | ||
| 1487435 | 2022-07-18 06:51:00 | In part the current high prices are designed to force people out of private vehicles and onto public transport. The deliberate destruction of our domestic oil and gas industry in the name of saving the planet from "Climate Change" also has a lot to do with it. Don't forget their huge promotion of EV's at our cost. ;) |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1487436 | 2022-07-18 07:32:00 | "You don't know how lucky we are You don't know how propitious are the circumstances Frederick " (Thanks to Fred Dagg!!) That's just what I thought.:D |
Roscoe (6288) | ||
| 1487437 | 2022-07-18 08:07:00 | I didn't buy it expecting to save the planet or to save money. Good, because you'll likely get neither. When the battery fails and you realise how much a new one costs, you'll send the car to landfill... |
Agent_24 (57) | ||
| 1487438 | 2022-07-18 21:38:00 | www.news.com.au And what Aussie does, NZ copies..... |
piroska (17583) | ||
| 1487439 | 2022-07-19 07:45:00 | Good, because you'll likely get neither. When the battery fails and you realise how much a new one costs, you'll send the car to landfill... That's not as much of a problem as it is often made out to be, batteries are proving to be very reliable for the most part and getting better as technology improves. I don't need to realise what it costs, I'm well aware. My car is a 2018 and the battery is at 91% State of health. That's 2.2% a year but let's round it up to 3% per year for arguments sake and suppose that after 16.667 years it'll be at 50% - giving it a round town range of 100-120km, still a useful commuter vehicle which is what I bought it for. However much it costs today to replace the battery has no bearing as to what it'll cost or whether it'll be worth it when the car is 17 years old, only time will tell. Would you buy a new engine for a 17 year old petrol car ? or maybe just stick a better second hand one in it or send it to the landfill. Mine is a Nissan leaf, with their stubborn refusal to add active cooling they have one of the worst battery degradation stats of current EVs. Most do better, many significantly so. I should maybe not post this in this thread, don't want to sidetrack it, but when you own an electric car you tend to cop this stuff constantly and it gets old. If you don't want one, don't buy one. They are fun to drive though. |
dugimodo (138) | ||
| 1487440 | 2022-07-19 08:06:00 | I don't hate electric cars or people who drive them. They function well as what they were designed for, and they work fine for a lot of people. I'm sure they are fun to drive. Maybe one day I will even have one myself. But I can't stand the delusion that they are somehow more environmentally friendly just because there are no tailpipe emissions etc. You have to look at the whole picture including manufacturing, electricity generation and end-of-life, and when you do, they are currently no better than ICE vehicles. IF everyone switches to "green" power then EVs could take the lead, but current green power is not really green, solar panels include manufacturing carbon costs, mining, pollution etc, and don't last forever, same goes for wind turbines, etc so the overall improvement is still likely very small or nonexistent. Maybe if fusion power ever becomes reality then EVs will finally have a significant advantage. |
Agent_24 (57) | ||
| 1487441 | 2022-07-19 21:40:00 | My car is a 2018 and the battery is at 91% State of health. That's 2.2% a year but let's round it up to 3% per year for arguments sake and suppose that after 16.667 years it'll be at 50% - giving it a round town range of 100-120km, Would you buy a new engine for a 17 year old petrol car ? . I can't afford any kind of 2018 car. Mine are a minimum of 14 years old, and usually were way older. The 14 yr old was because I sold the house. And didn't buy another. An engine, well we have done, the old Cambridge got 2, one temporary, free, the other from a certain private wreckers cost $100 or so. Husband put it in. Now? You don't have to replace an engine at 17 years. It took 650,000Km for husbands ute engine to die. Son sold his 428,000 Corolla with a perfect engine...other things were why he gave up on the car. I can't afford a used EV, and why would you, immediately you'd need to replace the damn batteries, which cost a fortune. No-one thinks of that sort of thing, it's all orientated to the rich. |
piroska (17583) | ||
| 1487442 | 2022-07-20 07:05:00 | it's all orientated to the URBAN rich. Absolutely useless in rural NZ at moment. My long journeys nearly always involve towing something and are monthly occurrences, and I don't stop every 150Km for 20 minutes to refill my ute as it does 850Km to a tank of fuel towing a caravan. I am watching with keen interest the new LDV EV Ute but its going to be 10 years before I can afford one by which time the batteries will be degraded too much. Until they can fix the replacement battery costs I don't know anyone rurally that would be able to use an EV as the main vehicle oh and we had 24 hours without power from 10pm Tuesday due to the gales. |
gary67 (56) | ||
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