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Thread ID: 110177	2010-06-06 09:49:00	New telecom advert	Metla (12)	PC World Chat

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1107434	2010-06-10 00:09:00	Furthermore, all companies have to invest in infrastructure, some companies run at a massive loss in their best years as they use everything they can earn and borrow to rebuild for the next few years,at which time they do it all again. Why is it Telecom think they are special for holding off as long as possible, until service degrades to absolute crap, while they make billions. Then when they do upgrade they blow their god damn trumpets. Does NZ Post make a hoohaa when they buy a fleet of trucks with more horsepower? Nope, They have always provided a good service so no one was up in arms demanding change, the company simply invests in infrastructure that suits the task at hand. Could you imagine the uproar if they were using modified horse and carts.......Backed up with huge marketing campaigns?	Metla (12)
1107435	2010-06-10 00:24:00	Furthermore, all companies have to invest in infrastructure, some companies run at a massive loss in their best years as they use everything they can earn and borrow to rebuild for the next few years,at which time they do it all again. Why is it Telecom think they are special for holding off as long as possible, until service degrades to absolute crap, while they make billions. Then when they do upgrade they blow their god damn trumpets. Does NZ Post make a hoohaa when they buy a fleet of trucks with more horsepower? Nope, They have always provided a good service so no one was up in arms demanding change, the company simply invests in infrastructure that suits the task at hand. Could you imagine the uproar if they were using modified horse and carts.......Backed up with huge marketing campaigns? Just imagine how lucid you would be,if you were not in darkness.	Cicero (40)
1107436	2010-06-10 00:59:00	You mean the fact they've literally upgraded every single exchange or roadside cabinet on a 2-yearly I understand you are Telecom brainwashed, but those upgrades were to try and stave off regulation and were a Minimum!. The government has been riding Telecom for 10 years trying to make there monopoly work. What is Fiber to the door REALLY about? Control of the local loop Control of the local loop Control of the local loop Is there a echo in here for effect? Chilling do you realise the same crap has been pulled by the Incumbent Telco "Telstra" in Australia?. They have nearly exactly the same issues. Guess what, the government is looking to side step them with guess what!!, fibre to the door (shock horror!!). But you are right Chilling Telecom is doing a super job lol!! Its nice to meet there last fan :)	Battleneter2 (9361)
1107437	2010-06-10 01:01:00	Possibly appropriate to post here:- computerworld.co.nz Make me wonder if they are going to employ less workers and more spin doctors.:2cents:	Sweep (90)
1107438	2010-06-10 01:33:00	What is Fiber to the door REALLY about? Control of the local loop Control of the local loop Control of the local loop Is there a echo in here for effect? And why does the Govt need control of the local loop? Do they feel that after a $10 Billion investment they're going to be able to offer me a home phone line for less than Telecom will?	Chilling_Silence (9)
1107439	2010-06-10 01:43:00	And why does the Govt need control of the local loop? Have you not read this thread? Perhaps they looked at the last decade and went, "wow, that went badly,lets not repeat that again" Meanwhile Telecom look at the last decade and went "Wow, that was awesome, billions of dollars with minimum effort, lets do that again" Meanwhile the customer looks at the last decade and says "My anus hurts ,and look, Estonia has better internetz, I wonder how their anuses feel?"	Metla (12)
1107440	2010-06-10 01:48:00	And why does the Govt need control of the local loop? Do they feel that after a $10 Billion investment they're going to be able to offer me a home phone line for less than Telecom will? You will will have a Fibre connection far superior to rubbish DSL. It is a long term investment in NZ. No one can talk pricing yet. It will foster fair and even competition, "assuming" the government does this well. The data charge issue you are so passionate about (and we 100% agree there) still needs to be addressed. How to eat a Elephant, one bite at a time. Certainly leaving the near monopoly largely as it is is going to cost the country a LOT more than 10 billion over the next few decades, 10 billion is a bargain!	Battleneter2 (9361)
1107441	2010-06-10 01:59:00	And why does the Govt need control of the local loop? Do they feel that after a $10 Billion investment they're going to be able to offer me a home phone line for less than Telecom will? Where does this $10 Billion figure come from please? Last I heard the taxpayer was looking at $1.5 Billion. Sources? And what has the home phone line got to do with this?	Sweep (90)
1107442	2010-06-10 02:04:00	Where does this $10 Billion figure come from please? Last I heard the taxpayer was looking at $1.5 Billion. Sources? Actually to go to something like 90% of the population it is going to be a lot more than 1.5. I believe 4-6 billion but just depends how far they want to go.	Battleneter2 (9361)
1107443	2010-06-10 02:06:00	You will will have a Fibre connection far superior to rubbish DSL. It is a long term investment in NZ. No one can talk pricing yet. Nothing wrong with DSL when done correctly under 2KM, as the rollout is happening. If <25% of countries who are praised for their Fibre rollouts use Fibre, there's gotta be a reason why. It will foster fair and even competition, "assuming" the government does this well. Well they've already forced this fair and even competition with Telecom, Chorus / Wholesale have to trade "at arms length" with Retail, and they get exactly the same pricing structure too. You're literally no better or worse off as another ISP compared with Telecom Retail. The data charge issue you are so passionate about (and we 100% agree there) still needs to be addressed. How to eat a Elephant, one bite at a time. It's potentially the biggest issue, yet it seems largely ignored by the likes of Vector Fibre in all their advertisements. Certainly leaving the near monopoly largely as it is is going to cost the country a LOT more than 10 billion over the next few decades, 10 billion is a bargain! Well potentially, I'm not disagreeing, though the idea of the Govt purchasing the infrastructure sounds highly cost-effective and appealing to me, why duplicate what's already there when they've done 75% of the rollout with FTTN, it's then just the "last mile" for fibre from the node to the home which would need to be done. Again, please accept my apologies for going off earlier ... I have no excuse, and shouldn't have.	Chilling_Silence (9)
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