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| Thread ID: 110177 | 2010-06-06 09:49:00 | New telecom advert | Metla (12) | PC World Chat |
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| 1107424 | 2010-06-09 22:13:00 | Well do a little research about Braodband in NZ in the last 10 years, bring yourself up to speed, you don't have to remain ignorant Chilling you can change!! You mean the fact they've literally upgraded every single exchange or roadside cabinet on a 2-yearly basis to bring NZ up to speed with better technology such as ADSL2+ or VDSL2, for the last decade, when there was no mandate to do-so? Bare minimum my ass, get your facts right moron! Thats 5 times in a decade they've given us the latest in *DSL technology! What about the fact they've prepared themselves with Fibre-to-the-Node but can't do FTTH because your favorite %@#$ government Labour mandated they do ADSL / Copper? What about the fact that Fibre isn't gonna do SFA for our data caps because over 90% of the data we use here in NZ comes from overseas? I'm not retarded like you and can do the math that 10GB @ 100m/bit = Data cap gone in 18-20 minutes What about the fact that even though FTTH is readily available in the likes of Korea / Japan, that on average on 20-23% have taken it onboard, even with the minor cost difference vs other technologies, because people know there's little to no need for it? What about the fact that Telecom Chorus has one of the most aggressive schedules for deployment ever seen in the world, and they're renowned for sticking to it? That they're going to be giving more rural people broadband than if you wait a whole ^%@#ing decade for FTTH? 5% difference is another 200,000 people with broadband of over 10m/bit! You're also retarded enough to presume that Fibre isn't going to be a "premium" product? When Intel releases a new CPU, do they come in at the lowest price and undercut the whole entire market of CPU's? It's not going to be cheap, there's a decades worth of work gone into it that has to be recouped! The dollar signs are lighting up in vendors eyes as we speak! What about the fact that you're trusting somebody with a zoology degree over a company that has shown in the last 12-18 months that even with supposed "second-rate technology" such as ADSL2+ / VDSL2 that they can successfully manage a an aggressive nationwide deployment offering the best that the technology has to offer? I have no problem with you being wrong, and hell I'm happy for people to even say "Look I just don't like the company", fine, your choice. You can even tell me you've been burned by them in the past and that's left a sour taste in your mouth, again, that's a shame but it's your call. Maybe you just don't want to pay them any money, which is again your choice. But, when you start to accuse me of being wrong, when you clearly haven't got a %@#$ing clue what you're on about, then you better be prepared to back your statements up, or GTFO. I have absolutely no relation to Telecom at all, I couldn't care less who is doing this ADSL2+ / VDSL2 rollout. All I know is the Govt is wasting their time with FTTH when the money is better spent for all Kiwis on the likes of the Pacific Fibre project, which would see more tangible benefits in the form of lower per-GB rates and plans. People will build FTTH on their own, without governmental assistance. I also want to correct myself where I wrote that the Govt was doing 70% and Telecom doing 75%. Telecom is aiming for 80% and the Govt is aiming for 75% nationwide coverage. |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 1107425 | 2010-06-09 22:36:00 | You mean the fact they've literally upgraded every single exchange or roadside cabinet on a 2-yearly basis to bring NZ up to speed with better technology such as ADSL2+ or VDSL2, for the last decade, when there was no mandate to do-so. You really need to take a look outside Auckland, Though having said that, Auckland doesn't have anything world class either. Their mandate is to provide a service that is worth paying for, They have failed miserably and held back the entire country by doing so. Their failings are starting to hit them now, lets hope it gets much worse for them.The network upgrade should have been undertaken a decade ago. Their mandate over the last couple of years is the fact the government forced their hand due to their refusal to upgrade the network to an acceptable level. You personally maybe quite happy with the crap they have served up while raping all the money, You however do not speak for everybody else, and your opinion doesn't override others nor make anyone else a moron. Too old, too crappy, too over sold, too expensive, too little,too late, and all done under external pressure. Upgrading the local exchange doesn't affect my crappy service, Its still an over loaded pile of junk not worthy of the term broadband. But hey, I get to pay for it and then tell the family we can't actually make proper use of it. Awesome. Thank you Telecom. I'm hoping like hell that zero tax dollars go to Telecom, they had their chance, many many chances, and they raped in billions upon billions of dollars. They work on the principle of not quite the bare minimum for maximum dollars. The best possible outcome is to cut them out of the picture entirely even if the "next best" is more expensive. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 1107426 | 2010-06-09 22:55:00 | ...and you've confirmed that they have finished with the cabinetization and upgrade process in your area? telecomwholesale.co.nz/maps That, or you must be in the 20% that's not getting upgraded. I feel sorry for you then if you're holding out for Fibre :( |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 1107427 | 2010-06-09 23:10:00 | You mean the fact they've literally upgraded every single exchange or roadside cabinet on a 2-yearly basis to bring NZ up to speed with better technology such as ADSL2+ or VDSL2, f But, when you start to accuse me of being wrong, when you clearly haven't got a %@#$ing clue what you're on about, then you better be prepared to back your statements up, or GTFO. Oooh. Venom. Every single exchange huh. They will not and have not upgraded any exchange with less than 500 households. Not population, households. Wyndham exchange for example, not only does not have ADSL2+ it doesn't even have caller ID capability. Its as old as the hills. In fact it was the last type my husband installed in 1990 before taking redundancy. There are loads of them like that. Also Ngapara. Ngapara does not have an exchange in broadband distance nor a cabinet. Nor will it ever get one. Yes it's small. They do the big places first then the medium ones. They will never do the small ones. WHo cares? All those people in small towns and all those rural people stuck on dialup. Some can get satellite but many cannot due to adverse surrounds etc. And why should they have to anyway? So there you go, an example. |
pctek (84) | ||
| 1107428 | 2010-06-09 23:21:00 | ...get your facts right moron! ...because your favorite %@#$ government...I'm not retarded like you and can do the math...wait a whole ^%@#ing decade...You're also retarded enough to presume...trusting somebody with a zoology degree over a company that...you clearly haven't got a %@#$ing clue what you're on about... GTFO... Oi! 1) Keep it friendly: If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything. If you feel a thread or post is offensive do not respond in kind. Use the Report this post link to alert a moderator. Personal attacks on members, moderators or staff will not be tolerated and may result in immediate cancelling of forum membership. |
Erayd (23) | ||
| 1107429 | 2010-06-09 23:21:00 | ...and you've confirmed that they have finished with the cabinetization and upgrade process in your area? telecomwholesale.co.nz/maps That, or you must be in the 20% that's not getting upgraded. I feel sorry for you then if you're holding out for Fibre :( Bigger picture. We need an alternative for the masses so the crap ADSL service that comes to the backwaters has less strain on it and gets realistic pricing. It needs to be relegated to the second stream stream that it is worthy of, not upheld as the "premier" product and used by everybody. Will it happen?,Probably not, Telecom have done a lot of damage in their quest for profits over infrastructure. Telecom partially upgrading their network a decade too late after pressure from legislative bodies is nothing to thank them for, and as population grows their network will continue to creak. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 1107430 | 2010-06-09 23:32:00 | Oi! Point taken, please accept my apologies, even us Mods are only human :$ Every single exchange huh. They will not and have not upgraded any exchange with less than 500 households. Not population, households. I stand corrected. They do the big places first then the medium ones. They will never do the small ones. WHo cares? All those people in small towns and all those rural people stuck on dialup. Some can get satellite but many cannot due to adverse surrounds etc. And why should they have to anyway? So there you go, an example. True. I'm still waiting for the end of next year for the cabinets in my area, and the exchange here services approx 20,000 people from what I understand. We need an alternative for the masses so the crap ADSL service that comes to the backwaters has less strain on it and gets realistic pricing. It needs to be relegated to the second stream stream that it is worthy of, not upheld as the "premier" product and used by everybody. Correct. Hopefully VDSL2 will change that scenario. Believe me I know about backhaul to the exchange, because of my complaints they ended up upgrading the Auckland CBD exchange early because of the mass-congestion. Telecom partially upgrading their network a decade too late after pressure from legislative bodies is nothing to thank them for, and as population grows their network will continue to creak. Nothing is wrong with the network where it has been upgraded to ADSL2+ / VDSL2, as they have appropriately upgraded the backhaul to those nodes / exchanges as well. On the ADSL1 exchanges though, I feel your pain... |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 1107431 | 2010-06-09 23:50:00 | Oh sadness,there I was thinking we had an Omnipotent member. | Cicero (40) | ||
| 1107432 | 2010-06-09 23:55:00 | Nothing is wrong with the network where it has been upgraded to ADSL2+ / VDSL2, as they have appropriately upgraded the backhaul to those nodes / exchanges as well. On the ADSL1 exchanges though, I feel your pain... I fully expect a company that has a monopoly to squeeze the crap out of it for as long as possible, But Im sure as hell not going to applaud them for being forced to do something that should have been taken care of a decade ago. I don't feel pain over my ADSL, I see a crap company doing their best to provide a crap service. Now they parade their swanky import around in spanking new fishing gear to try and appeal to the great kiwi spirit. The great Kiwi spirit should have run them out of the country. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 1107433 | 2010-06-09 23:58:00 | I fully expect a company that has a monopoly to squeeze the crap out of it for as long as possible, But I'm sure as hell not going to applaud them for being forced to do something that should have been taken care of a decade ago. I don't feel pain over my ADSL, I see a crap company doing their best to provide a crap service. The words succinct comes to mind and beautiful. |
Cicero (40) | ||
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