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Thread ID: 110208	2010-06-07 19:40:00	Lowest Road Toll in 50 Years! Good Policing or Good Luck?	xyz823 (13649)	PC World Chat

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1107837	2010-06-09 00:24:00	The open road 100 kph should not be treated as a target speed, one must drive to the conditions. Thank god if there is one for the *555 system for dobbing in nutcase drivers. What I think needs to happen is if you drive 10 kph over the limit your car is towed from the side of the road or driven only to a nominated destination. Then the car woulds be towed and impounded and crushed (except vintage, rare. classic cars) I thinks its despicable people who have been caught speeding can just get in their cars and drive off again. LOL, what an old man!...The speed limit for the open road was 1st set when everyday cars were lucky to make 100kph, when it was 80kph...Cars nowadays can stop in half the distance and are designed to travel at twice. The reason for the accidents is the passing of slower vehicles, especially trucks and nana's who cant even do the speed limit. I laugh to think of the knob who think a 4kph intolerance can account for the low death rate.....but typical of knee jerk laws, punish all due to the incompetence of the few...absolute b*ll*ck!	SolMiester (139)
1107838	2010-06-09 00:54:00	LOL, what an old man!...The speed limit for the open road was 1st set when everyday cars were lucky to make 100kph, when it was 80kph...Cars nowadays can stop in half the distance and are designed to travel at twice. The reason for the accidents is the passing of slower vehicles, especially trucks and nana's who cant even do the speed limit. I laugh to think of the knob who think a 4kph intolerance can account for the low death rate.....but typical of knee jerk laws, punish all due to the incompetence of the few...absolute b*ll*ck! Somewhat agree but unfortunately NZ roads have not come far. Drive to the conditions 100% agree, the weekend weather was god awful. Consistent flow of traffic is key to safety, as much as speed itself. We have all seen idiots driving at 85km/h in 100K zones in good conditions and decent roads, forcing lines of traffic to overtake. I am not talking about those legally required to go slower with trailers etc. Anyone that is to scared to drive 100Km/h in a 100Km/h zones should retire from driving. Anyone that sits on 40Km/h on city streets for no good reason needs to think about hanging up those fluffy dices :P	Battleneter2 (9361)
1107839	2010-06-09 01:39:00	In my view crashes are caused mostly by two things the first of which is inattention. Driving is, or should be, considered like a full time job and you can't afford to be distracted by anything including any passengers ( like back seat drivers, your Mother in law, putting another MP3 in the stereo etc ). Having booze does not help but has to affect reaction time and also does affect lack of attention to detail and judgement. The second is impatience. Driver decides to pass. Why? This may mean he/she gets to destination a little earlier but I do have to ask what they are going to do with any time they saved.	Sweep (90)
1107840	2010-06-09 10:25:00	In my view crashes are caused mostly by two things the first of which is inattention. So very true but you will never get the police to say that as they would struggle to make money on it.	mikebartnz (21)
1107841	2010-06-09 11:30:00	So very true but you will never get the police to say that as they would struggle to make money on it. errr......actually they do regularly, they have had a big ad campaign on it for the last 4-5 months.	tweak'e (69)
1107842	2010-06-09 22:31:00	I think alot of you are just sour grapes because you can't say 'See the police were wrong again because look at all the dead people' so you can be all smug on the interwebs. I for one am happy there was only 1 death and not the many we normally get, weather related or not.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
1107843	2010-06-10 07:10:00	Cars nowadays can stop in half the distance and are designed to travel at twice . Interesting comment! According to a Police officer from the Bay of Plenty during the QB weekend he was qouted in the Herald as stating the stopping distance at 100kph was 98metres in the dry . Yet according to what I was taught during an advanced driving course in the UK in 1995 the stopping distance was 70metres! 15 years on cars have better braking ability according to you then how comes the distance increased by 28 metres? Actually you might be right cars improved the drivers are still slow to react in New Zealand . And I can comment on the road toll as I get the pleasure of picking up the pieces, poor driving is the key problem how much speed plays as a factor comes down to how well people can drive . When you sit your test the tolerance is no more than 5kph otherwise you fail . You abide by the road rules, show courtesy to other road users and all is fine . I have come to question the obsession with speeding and the approach to it! The use of split second determination of excessive speed over the measuring over a distance is a reason for my questioning of the policy akin to revenue gathering and not genuine road safety .	coldfront (15814)
1107844	2010-06-10 09:04:00	I have come to question the obsession with speeding and the approach to it! The use of split second determination of excessive speed over the measuring over a distance is a reason for my questioning of the policy akin to revenue gathering and not genuine road safety. It is much the same with drink driving in a way. Thirty percent or there about of deaths on the roads are caused by drink driving(and often there will probably be other factors involved). That leaves seventy percent where drinking and driving was not the cause. I'm not trying to say they should not try and reduce the drink driving but that things should be kept in proportion. With speeding it would be interesting to be able to compare the statistics with the autobahn in Germany.	mikebartnz (21)
1107845	2010-06-10 10:22:00	Based on the above, it seems that more attention should be paid to detecting sober drivers and getting them off our highways where they are slaughtering mothers, children and fluffy pets at more than twice the rate of drunk drivers. Not only are they 233% more likely to kill us, they are shirking their share of tax. Shame on them	R2x1 (4628)
1107846	2010-06-10 10:23:00	I wonder if our country was of a different geography (too steep/hilly in parts? - causing bottlenecks and hence impatience), different length to width ratio (NZ too narrow and long/straight in parts - like a drag strip?), and a much larger land mass (but some width as length), and perhaps a different town to road density pattern (maybe too close to speed between them?) . Thus I'm sure by nature, NZ would have a more radial network of roads with junctions (e . g . like USA), and if distances are too long (i . e . like a spatial pattern) between cities/towns/venues/beaches/tourist spots, etc then speed may be reduced, perhaps by "psychological" (i . e . eminent tiredness) fatigue . NZ basically has only one main road (for mass travel) North to South, with no lengthy roads east west countrywide, with relatively short distances between cities/towns- which may cause people to think - "oh it won't take long mate" . I think drivers from other countries would experience relative differences, I mean would USA drivers speed between their lengthy trips? - probably more motels, gas stations, or deserts along their travels than destination spots or towns . Or in Japan, probably a different driving culture and I think car legislation/ownership that may have an effect on their road tolls .	kahawai chaser (3545)
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