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| Thread ID: 110208 | 2010-06-07 19:40:00 | Lowest Road Toll in 50 Years! Good Policing or Good Luck? | xyz823 (13649) | PC World Chat |
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| 1107917 | 2010-06-19 21:27:00 | No smoke screen prefect when it IS THE INSTRUMENT YOU TRUST!!! If you get caught with a ticket caused by speedo accuracy I say man up and learn from it. The idea is to avoid a ticket for speeding ! If the intruments you trust can not be accurate then how is that fair? Likewise if that accuracy is causing road rage and frustration by reading higher speeds than actual and other following traffic that is causing problems. Tha slow Nana (a term kiwis seem to like) in front will not move over for you legally travelling at 100kph if they do not know they are indeeed traveling at 90 or 85kph. Few people know you can be ticketed for holding up the flow of traffic by travel at 80kph on the open road, how often is that enforced? I only know of one person who told me he was ticketed for that. Guess the Police prefer the easy to prove option and thats what the public want! Speed kills, the faster the speed the bigger the mess, and grow up peoples its not cool to smoke and its not cool to speed anymore. Actually speed is not the killer the incorrect use of speed is, you should know that by now. btw, states on your profile Bus Driver! Then you know all about this then dont you www.nzherald.co.nz Shocked education officials are surprised police won't put more effort into catching bus drivers who speed through special 40km/h zones. |
coldfront (15814) | ||
| 1107918 | 2010-06-19 21:51:00 | Not all bus driving is the same there is charter, metro, and school. Speeding in a bus is a no no anyone caught should be fired and lose their licence for years. Its in our companies contract smoking by fuel bowser, speeding, run red ,run stop no warning needed to be given your fired. In the old days the supervisor would smash you in the face and you had to say you tripped and hurt yourself. |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 1107919 | 2010-06-19 22:04:00 | Blaming speeding though completely misses the point of what is wrong with the Driving Standard in New Zealand . Its been said enough times in this post about the other problems which I think this highlights it as well . . nzherald . co . nz/nz/news/article . cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10653176&ref=rss" target="_blank">www . nzherald . co . nz First thing in the story focus is on the speed A schoolgirl driver has spoken of her sorrow at killing one of her best friends and seriously injuring another in a 125km/h head-on crash . Next part is more of the bigger part of the story had just three hours' driving experience when she lost control two weeks after passing her learner's licence . The 16-year-old had been behind the wheel for just 610m . Thats a good example of how easy a licence is handed over in this country and the self taught driving skill set with training thats from family and friends who have passed on the badit habits over the generations . I will say this and you will hate the comments and comparison I know and even pick holes in it . When I passed my driving test back in the UK! The requirement was 16 motorcycle licence with limited engine size . Age 17 you got into a Car with a heavy restriction compared to here! Requirement was Learner Drivers had to be accompanied at ALL times by a full licenced driver, that licence Holder was not to be under 21 or have held a full licence for under 3 years . Going to a Driving school is the norm! The bad driving standards starts right from the first time you get in a car and learn those bad habits straight away, Darwins theory picks off a few over the years . How many here would be prepared to resit a driving test to prove they have the basic skills? Problem is getting a licence is to easy in NZ and keeping it is easy with the focus on cash collection than driving skills . |
coldfront (15814) | ||
| 1107920 | 2010-06-19 22:08:00 | Not all bus driving is the same there is charter, metro, and school. Speeding in a bus is a no no anyone caught should be fired and lose their licence for years. Its in our companies contract smoking by fuel bowser, speeding, run red ,run stop no warning needed to be given your fired. In the old days the supervisor would smash you in the face and you had to say you tripped and hurt yourself. I hold a P endorsement up to Class 4 vehicles. The story was that Police enforcement of Buses braking the 40kph limit around schools was not being enforced. Also raised another point of how easy obtaining a Bus Licence is. |
coldfront (15814) | ||
| 1107921 | 2010-06-19 22:19:00 | Ha In Auckland look who is mainly driving the metro buses for the minimum wage, make getting a P endorsement hard and they will never pass it in a hundred years. | prefect (6291) | ||
| 1107922 | 2010-06-19 23:42:00 | Ha In Auckland look who is mainly driving the metro buses for the minimum wage, make getting a P endorsement hard and they will never pass it in a hundred years. tisk tisk tisk ....So now your saying a driving standard is set by a wage? I also detected a bit of racial profiling in that response ;) Maybe making it harder to get would make it safer and weed out the Bad Drivers who are then granted permits to drive Heavy Vehicles carrying large numbers of people whose lives they are responsible for. You got the cash you can buy a licence in this country without showing very little skill or ability. btw, I dont work for a minimum wage or in Auckland |
coldfront (15814) | ||
| 1107923 | 2010-06-19 23:57:00 | tisk tisk tisk ....So now your saying a driving standard is set by a wage? I also detected a bit of racial profiling in that response ;) Maybe making it harder to get would make it safer and weed out the Bad Drivers who are then granted permits to drive Heavy Vehicles carrying large numbers of people whose lives they are responsible for. You got the cash you can buy a licence in this country without showing very little skill or ability. btw, I dont work for a minimum wage or in Auckland You seem to be painting with a very broad brush yourself! What about those Kiwis that have done defensive driving courses as I have for example? All this squeaking about speedo accuracy means nothing when various drivers have been clocked at more than double the speed limit never mind the odd 3 to 10 % over. |
Sweep (90) | ||
| 1107924 | 2010-06-20 01:21:00 | If you get caught with a ticket caused by speedo accuracy I say man up and learn from it. You might like paying fines but I don't. After getting a ticket a couple of years ago I discovered that when my speedo was registering 100km I was doing 114km with standard size tyres. After that I realised there weren't quite so many slow buggers on the road after all. Give me a cable speedo over an electronic one any day. My speedo now is for decoration as I never trust it and it is the first time I have had a vehicle in which I have no faith at all in the speedo. |
mikebartnz (21) | ||
| 1107925 | 2010-06-20 01:36:00 | Point you made there tweak`e your TYRES are a safety point that YOU are responsible for, Although I do get your point and was withholding a direct pointer at 4x4 Remurera Tractor drivers as being the ones most likely to be crawling along do to an error on the speedo. 3% error relates to a NORMAL car tyre of 8mm wearing down to the legal tread depth. But until (as highlighted by consumer and the AANZ) a clear guidline is set for this country of a allowable speedometer differance between actual and read then this problem wont go away and it will continue to cause the issues we see on our roads dismissing a less than obvious problem within the cars we drive. i'm not worried about anyone "crawling along" (even 10% under the speed limit isn't crawling along). the main thing is if they preach the 5km/h grace and go get your vehicle checked speach, is Mrs Safety Conscious will take her Remurera Tractor, get the speedo calibrated (which can be expensive especially if they have to add a speedo gearbox or out converter. not all vehicles have dip switches on the senders you can flick to change the speedo readings) and then after all that $$$, go fit a new set of tires on months later, which turn out to be bigger tires and throws the speedo out the wrong way. so Mrs Safety Conscious starts getting tickets for doing everything right :( the tire industry is not setup to match tires size to vehicle speedo. having a correct speedo means nothing if the tire guys fit a different size tire. it would be interesting to see how the shops check the speedo's are reading right. strapping a vehicle on the dyno throws another curve ball into the mix. those into car racing know quite well that dyno's lie, there is a percentage of error from the operator. |
tweak'e (69) | ||
| 1107926 | 2010-06-20 01:36:00 | You seem to be painting with a very broad brush yourself! What about those Kiwis that have done defensive driving courses as I have for example? All this squeaking about speedo accuracy means nothing when various drivers have been clocked at more than double the speed limit never mind the odd 3 to 10 % over . Very true and its getting the point across is it? Theres where it gets muddy Defensive or Advanced what best describes to ability to adhere to the road rules and drive within the conditions of those rules and regulations? What best describes the skill sets being used beyond what you have to do in the basic test structure in place? What best describes the ease of being able to obtain a class of licence that involves passing a classroom test and 30 minute drive in a vehicle of the minimum mass for that class of licence? All part of the learning curve and some of it is critical in keeping safe on our roads . I may be squeeking on about speedometer accuracy and a speedometer is part of the safety equipment of our vehicles in some respect, just as much as brakes, mirrors, tyres, abs, air bags etc etc . To say it is unimportant shows how little is understood . various drivers have been clocked at more than double the speed limit never mind the odd 3 to 10 % over I think you missed the point here! I do not disagree with targetting of people who are excessivly speeding and do disagree with the methods being used to target those in that 3 to 10% area . Snap shot millisecond decisons based on a reading barely more than a walking pace above the speedlimit . Did you know that a tolerance is already in place for Trucks and Buses of 5kph above the limit? How often do you see a truck stopped on the open road for travelling at 96kph or 100kph? But then how do you know they are speeding in front of you if you do not have a near accurate speedometer? Of course a Truck Driver would never speed and risk their driving licence and income source would they? BIG PICTURE! Speed and Police enforcement of it to a draconian level targetting the minor infringers is not the solution . What it does do is make an automatic assumption that someone is guilty of being a bad driver and WILL KILL . Simply not true your mate who flys around with complete disregard and knows it is the potential Killer not your Aunt Sally who has for a brief second applied a little bit to much pressure to the right foot or failed to spot a unpercieved dip in the road . Thats what this is all about really targetting of a small part of the overall picture and losing the respect of the Police by conducting whats percieved as revenue gathering . Meanwhile criminalising your Aunty Sally who is a sweet ole thing would never hurt a fly and has a safe ethic tarnished because of the laws of physics and some one exploiting that . |
coldfront (15814) | ||
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