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Thread ID: 110466 2010-06-18 02:38:00 Hint of the day Metla (12) PC World Chat
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1111292 2010-06-19 03:18:00 Though its always worth noting if the murder rates climb, But its much like our unemployment benefit vs sickness benefit.


I always wondered if a lot of murderers get charged manslaughter instead of murder to keep the numbers down to justify selling NZ 'peaceful' image to tourism. Or some other silly excuse. It would not surprise me in the least.

Just like our low unemployment rate was kept because now the unemployed are depressed.

Of course I could be just polishing my tin foil hat, still, would be nice to see a punishment fit the crime, like take a life, your life will be taken. The end.
rob_on_guitar (4196)
1111293 2010-06-19 03:37:00 It's fairly simple Rob. To prove Murder you have to prove INTENT to kill. To prove Manslaughter you only have to prove that the actions caused the death. Sweep (90)
1111294 2010-06-19 04:00:00 Well there other links there to other sources which you shouldn't have trouble trusting. It doesn't get away from the fact that NZ is a very violent society.

I was challenging the word "hundreds" :(

What a load of BS.
Zippity (58)
1111295 2010-06-19 04:04:00 Someone claimed there were hundreds of deaths each year in police chases?

Lmfao.

Whats the real figure?, My guess is 4 a year, and I'd call it suicide.
Metla (12)
1111296 2010-06-19 04:12:00 Maybe galaxy wide its in the hundreds. prefect (6291)
1111297 2010-06-19 06:20:00 You're a sikh man Cicero! :D

Had there been temples,I might have owned up.:o
Cicero (40)
1111298 2010-06-19 07:20:00 A compost pit is a great place for these people to begin their reform process.

I believe this is called rebirthing, and even the worst of the child-raping kid-murdering scumbags can come back as a quite respectable tree, or, if their ambitions or intellect are not that high, at the very least as a moderately productive vegetable garden.

They are no good as fish bait though, they don't have the attention span or patience and keep on turning up on beaches instead of staying where the fish need them.

Cheers

Billy 8-{) :p
Billy T (70)
1111299 2010-06-19 11:14:00 Twelvevolts:-

Had you not noticed then, in that site the chances of violent death had two large spikes at the same time of the first and second world wars? Now when somebody dies in a war it's not called murder.

You can die a violent death by jumping out of a plane and your parachute fails to open along with a multitude of other causes for that matter. So I have to wonder what actual figures are included.

Another of your strawman arguements.

I am for bringing back the death penalty for certain offenders like, for example, William Bell and Graham Burton. One thing the death penalty ensures is that the offender will never be let out on parole to offend again.

Yes I knew when the world wars were and I realised the spikes corresponded to the World Wars.

The site went on to say.

I started this site because I think there are a great deal of misconceptions when it comes to how dangerous a society is. I can only speak for the United States, but here I am always taken aback by how dangerous the era we live in is thought to be, even though the statistics don’t back that up. I also have noticed that people even take pride in the thought of living in an abnormally violent society. I can only speculate as to the underlying motive for those feelings.

And he lives in a much more violent society than New Zealand and yet people still have the perception it is relatively dangerous here. It's pretty safe here but clearly no place in the world is completely safe and as stated here, we have had a murder here very recently.

If you prefer murder rates versus violent death stats, we're still well down the rankings and places like South Africa are places you wouldn't want to move to.

There are good reasons people don't want the death penalty,and one of course is getting the wrong person as has been demonstrated happens all to often by the Innocence Project.
Twelvevolts (5457)
1111300 2010-06-22 03:09:00 Would you at least agree that New Zealand is a less safe place now in which to live than it was say 30 or 40 years ago for the average reasonably law abiding citizen per head of population?

Personally I don't care how safe or unsafe it may appear to be elsewhere.
Sweep (90)
1111301 2010-06-22 03:41:00 The statistics dont tell you one thing, and thats who is doing the majority of the offending who they are doing it to. Most of it luckily is inhouse so to speak.
My theory is keep your head down and you should be right by following some rules

Dont **** with another mans wife
Dont get lippy to you know who at bars or if they been drinking you are gone burger
Dont get involved in drug trade
Dont work in a 24 hr service station, bank dairy or liquor store.
Dont drive a taxi unless you have knife under the seat and be trained how to use it
Start running if someone is getting angry because the breakfast menu at Mackers has finished for the day.
Be careful if your wife wants you to walk near a cliff or wants to climb Lion Rock.
prefect (6291)
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