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Thread ID: 110466 2010-06-18 02:38:00 Hint of the day Metla (12) PC World Chat
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1111282 2010-06-18 14:33:00 "[The hundreds of motorcyclists and drivers killed in police chases are not included in this report.]"

Yep. I'd sure trust that source :( :(
Well there other links there to other sources which you shouldn't have trouble trusting. It doesn't get away from the fact that NZ is a very violent society.
mikebartnz (21)
1111283 2010-06-18 20:50:00 So,all things considered, as long as this bloke has brown skin he should get 9 months home detention.




I'm thinking more along the lines of a walk into the bush and a bullet in the temple.

You must live in a posh area,we don't have temples in our bush!
Cicero (40)
1111284 2010-06-18 21:36:00 I dont care if the jury said it was manslaughter, they were wrong. To me it was cold blooded murder.
I wonder what a whanau based justice system would give out as a punishment
prefect (6291)
1111285 2010-06-18 22:13:00 I dont care if the jury said it was manslaughter, they were wrong. To me it was cold blooded murder.
I wonder what a whanau based justice system would give out as a punishment

A week in Rotarua,probably.
Cicero (40)
1111286 2010-06-19 00:23:00 There have been no executions since 1961 when the death penalty was abolished so there has been no fear of execution since then. Walter Bolton was the last one in 1957. I wouldn't say we had a very low murder rate but back in the fifties there were only about two or three a year. We have 12 per million.
Quote from (newzeelend.wordpress.com) "Killing rate in New Zealand is twice that of Australia’s,and 4 times that of Japan and Britain’s."

Well I was referring to the following web site

www.nationmaster.com

Certainly suggest New Zealand has higher rate than Australia and other sources suggest the same.

Either way, fortunately New Zealand and Australia have relatively low murders rates and low crimes rates overall. Of course no murders would be ideal, one thing I think everyone can agree with.
Twelvevolts (5457)
1111287 2010-06-19 00:47:00 Just reading comparitive stats on this site violentdeathproject.com

Life expectancy is 80 and chance of violent death here pretty much the same as other western countries other than United States where it is much higher, but still relatively safe.

As you'd expect - 1910's and 1940's were a really bad time, but today we're described as Utopia. although some concern noted in the VDR to life expectancy rate.

Looks like maybe Oz is safer on this criteria.
Twelvevolts (5457)
1111288 2010-06-19 01:02:00 Twelvevolts:-

Had you not noticed then, in that site the chances of violent death had two large spikes at the same time of the first and second world wars? Now when somebody dies in a war it's not called murder.

You can die a violent death by jumping out of a plane and your parachute fails to open along with a multitude of other causes for that matter. So I have to wonder what actual figures are included.

Another of your strawman arguements.

I am for bringing back the death penalty for certain offenders like, for example, William Bell and Graham Burton. One thing the death penalty ensures is that the offender will never be let out on parole to offend again.
Sweep (90)
1111289 2010-06-19 01:08:00 I haven't looked at the links but they maybe discussing death rates rather then murder, it gives a better indicator of what is going on in society.

Though its always worth noting if the murder rates climb, But its much like our unemployment benefit vs sickness benefit.

I'd imagine most of the kiddie killings that happen so often in NZ don't get classed as murder.
Metla (12)
1111290 2010-06-19 01:19:00 en.wikipedia.org
I think our rate is way higher than listed here as discussed above they aint putting the kiddie killers in and manslaughter which is murder by another word. We would be at less than the Iceland rate (they drink harder and get depressed in winter) if it were not for a certain part of our population doing most of the killing.
prefect (6291)
1111291 2010-06-19 02:34:00 You must live in a posh area,we don't have temples in our bush!

You're a sikh man Cicero! :D
johcar (6283)
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