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Thread ID: 114639	2010-12-11 08:59:00	PC possibly overheating?	Richardd150 (13927)	Press F1

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1160706	2010-12-15 01:44:00	it's sounded like a graphics card problem to me from the first post, replacing that PSU was a good Idea though. 60-70 degrees for a cpu core is not dangerous and shouldn't cause a crash, at around 80 I start getting nervous. Most motherboard & CPU combos will shut down if the temp get's too high, which is not quite what you describe. When you cleaned out your case did you also clean the heatsink of the graphics card ? did you check the graphics card fan is spinning freely and not making odd noises etc ? Also sometimes windows just gets bloated and full of crap over time and gets unstable, yours does sound like a hardware issue though. EDIT: - A crude kiwi shed type troubleshooting method for PC overheating problems. Take the side off, get a desktop fan and sit it blowing air into the case, see if the situation improves.	dugimodo (138)
1160707	2010-12-15 01:59:00	A crude kiwi shed type troubleshooting method for PC overheating problems. Take the side off, get a desktop fan and sit it blowing air into the case, see if the situation improves. Hey thats my xbox 360 cooling system	nedkelly (9059)
1160708	2010-12-15 02:33:00	OMG!!! I'm with qazwsxokmijn. You cannot use such a lame PSU even with your older equipment. The GPU will be working hard, as you say, you get an error about it, that could be a problem with the card (but I think not) but for sure get yourself a decent PSU. never use case bundled PSUs. Stick with quality brands, Corsair, Enermax, Antec. Get something around 500w. I had a x1950 pro (30a required on 12v rail)and had issues running that on a TT460w, so I am surprised you had it running at all. You could well have stuffed the card running like that...	SolMiester (139)
1160709	2010-12-15 02:46:00	it's sounded like a graphics card problem to me from the first post, replacing that PSU was a good Idea though. 60-70 degrees for a cpu core is not dangerous and shouldn't cause a crash, at around 80 I start getting nervous. Most motherboard & CPU combos will shut down if the temp get's too high, which is not quite what you describe. When you cleaned out your case did you also clean the heatsink of the graphics card ? did you check the graphics card fan is spinning freely and not making odd noises etc ? Also sometimes windows just gets bloated and full of crap over time and gets unstable, yours does sound like a hardware issue though. EDIT: - A crude kiwi shed type troubleshooting method for PC overheating problems. Take the side off, get a desktop fan and sit it blowing air into the case, see if the situation improves. Thanks! I did a general clean out of the case but I'll give the card some extra TLC.	Richardd150 (13927)
1160710	2010-12-15 02:48:00	I had a x1950 pro (30a required on 12v rail)and had issues running that on a TT460w, so I am surprised you had it running at all. You could well have stuffed the card running like that... And possibly have:o Strangely, it ran fine for a couple of years.	Richardd150 (13927)
1160711	2010-12-15 02:49:00	Thanks! I did a general clean out of the case but I'll give the card some extra TLC. You well have to do more than that Im afraid!.....unless you dont mind taking out the rest of the system. Overdrawing on that PSU has probably weaked it to that state where you are getting your restarts. It wont stay like that for long, next time it may spike and take the mainboard and whatever else with it...... Upgrade the PSU immediately!	SolMiester (139)
1160712	2010-12-15 02:56:00	You well have to do more than that Im afraid!.....unless you dont mind taking out the rest of the system. Overdrawing on that PSU has probably weaked it to that state where you are getting your restarts. It wont stay like that for long, next time it may spike and take the mainboard and whatever else with it...... Upgrade the PSU immediately! I agree, and did so in posts 8 & 9 (Antec EarthWatts 650W PSU ATX12V). I'm hoping that'll do me for a while:)	Richardd150 (13927)
1160713	2010-12-15 05:27:00	Dugimodo's suggestion is a good one. Running without the case side in place will reveal a lot more fan noise, but you can also check that the GPU fan is indeed turning quickly. My old system was used without the case side for over 12 months when I had concerns about heat. Removing the side easily dropped temps by 15 degrees... if memory serves. If you can game without breakdown with the side off, then you've probably narrowed it down to GPU heat at this stage of things. Might be worth looking for signs of bad capacitors on the mobo and graphics card as well.	Paul.Cov (425)
1160714	2010-12-16 01:49:00	Dugimodo's suggestion is a good one . Running without the case side in place will reveal a lot more fan noise, but you can also check that the GPU fan is indeed turning quickly . My old system was used without the case side for over 12 months when I had concerns about heat . Removing the side easily dropped temps by 15 degrees . . . if memory serves . If you can game without breakdown with the side off, then you've probably narrowed it down to GPU heat at this stage of things . Might be worth looking for signs of bad capacitors on the mobo and graphics card as well . Hi ya . The fan is spinniing sweetly, no problems there . I touched (after grounding) several parts of the card and it didn't seem particularly hot . Removing the side cover initially dropped the idle temp to 35c (troughed at 33c) but it gradually moved back up to the 38-40c level . Under stress testing still hovered around 68c with a spike to 70c - no real change there . Funnily enough the "display driver failed and has recovered successfully" error hapened while I was reading PF1, so it's not just during games and under load . Playing fallout 3 went alright (no crash or slow down but there was the odd colour 'bloom' on screen) with temp hitting 60-61c, Sacred 2 played for a little longer than usual then the PC re-booted without warning (no error messages) . By the way I'm testing the temp with PCWizard and Coretemp and they agree on the results - the temps are from the processor cores, the card doesn't show up so I assume it doesn't have a sensor . So, a little unclear as to whether a card, MB or processor issue so time to trouble shoot . Overheating? with the tests I've done and the advice I've been given it doesn't seem likely . PSU prob? Doesn't seem likely with new PSU . So next I'll put my old card (radeon x1300) back in and see what happens, as well as checking the caps .	Richardd150 (13927)
1160715	2010-12-16 02:50:00	Speedfan was always a good program to detect graphics card temperatures, haven't used it for a while though so not sure if it's still around. Sometimes the driver software itself will tell you the temperature as well. Swapping the Graphics card does seem like the best option right no as you have one to test with, should pretty quickly prove it one way or the other.	dugimodo (138)
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