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Thread ID: 110786	2010-07-01 22:14:00	Cost of "Sensible Sentencing"	Twelvevolts (5457)	PC World Chat

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1115117	2010-07-02 09:05:00	Prisons have a place and no one would argue against that, but we have one of the highest imprisonment rates in the western world and yet one of the safest countries, so what are we locking so many people up for? Has has been stated in another thread we are not the safest country with the murder rate twice what it is in Aussie and four times what it is in Japan and Britain.	mikebartnz (21)
1115118	2010-07-02 09:12:00	Has has been stated in another thread we are not the safest country with the murder rate twice what it is in Aussie and four times what it is in Japan and Britain. But those figurse appear to be wrong, and in any event they are all relatively safe countries. www.nationmaster.com Australia and Britain have higher murder rates than New Zealand.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1115119	2010-07-02 09:20:00	But those figurse appear to be wrong, and in any event they are all relatively safe countries. www.nationmaster.com Australia and Britain have higher murder rates than New Zealand. If I click your link I note the source data covers 1998 - 2000. So just why should I believe the same is true today?	Sweep (90)
1115120	2010-07-02 11:21:00	You're right, we could expect that sensible sentencing has made things worse, but I guess it will provide a baseline for the good old days before sensible sentencing came along.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1115121	2010-07-02 11:25:00	But those figurse appear to be wrong, and in any event they are all relatively safe countries. www.nationmaster.com Australia and Britain have higher murder rates than New Zealand. Having looked at quite a few sites the figures are all over the place depending on the year. One interesting thing when Canada dropped capital punishment the murder rate dropped but in the states the murder rate has dropped when there have been more executions. You would think that NZ having a fairly sparse population would have a very low murder rate	mikebartnz (21)
1115122	2010-07-02 21:46:00	If we didnt have the Sensible Sentencing Trust our murder rate might be as high as South Africa.	prefect (6291)
1115123	2010-07-03 08:03:00	If we didnt have the Sensible Sentencing Trust our murder rate might be as high as South Africa. Gee - when we didn't have the SST it wasn't so that seems doubtful. Funny you keep say crime is getting worse but that has been since the SST came into being.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1115124	2010-07-03 16:10:00	Having looked at quite a few sites the figures are all over the place depending on the year. One interesting thing when Canada dropped capital punishment the murder rate dropped but in the states the murder rate has dropped when there have been more executions. You would think that NZ having a fairly sparse population would have a very low murder rate Perhaps the pertinent point is that States with no death penalty have a lower murder rate than those with it. www.deathpenaltyinfo.org This of course could be that States with high murder rates choose the death penalty, but even Garth McVicar accepts the death penalty isn't a deterrent and with the findings coming out of the Innocence Project (http://www.innocenceproject.org/) suggest that innocent people get convicted. Innocence Project web site suggests some reforms to the Criminal Justice system that would appear to be worthy of consideration.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1115125	2010-07-04 01:00:00	Perhaps the pertinent point is that States with no death penalty have a lower murder rate than those with it. www.deathpenaltyinfo.org That just tells me the states with a death penalty needs to kill em faster!	Battleneter2 (9361)
1115126	2010-07-04 01:23:00	That just tells me the states with a death penalty needs to kill em faster! Why don't they copy meat works system,we have lots of chaps out of work here,I am sure they would like to set up a chain for them?!	Cicero (40)
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