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Thread ID: 111057	2010-07-12 03:09:00	Running 3-core electrical cable - DIY	nofam (9009)	PC World Chat

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1118130	2010-07-13 09:57:00	If you know nothing about something that bites like electricity does, you must be mad doing DIY job. What's cheaper, the sparky's bill or rebuilding the house	Phil B (648)
1118131	2010-07-13 11:49:00	If you know nothing about something that bites like electricity does, you must be mad doing DIY job. What's cheaper, the sparky's bill or rebuilding the house From the very 1st post "so my plan (to cut costs!) is to run all the wiring myself, and have the sparky just come in and fit off the lights/switches etc, and hook it into the board." No mention of touching anything live or even the fittings.	PaulD (232)
1118132	2010-07-13 11:56:00	Why not stick with a message like Billy T's rather than this hysteria? what hysteria??????? guy got the message. and this is a fact, all insurance fraudsters, and other insurance rule brakers are tracked by the companies now. Simple fact. Computers make it easy for them to keep and access you history. breake the rules once and they will use it against you, untill you die.:D	angry (15305)
1118133	2010-07-13 12:08:00	From the very 1st post "so my plan (to cut costs!) is to run all the wiring myself, and have the sparky just come in and fit off the lights/switches etc, and hook it into the board." No mention of touching anything live or even the fittings. as long as you get advice first from the sparky who is getting the permitt and going to sign it off after. make sure you understand exactly which cables he wants run where, the spacing he wants on the clips how much free end he wants, weather he wants drilled holes or cut channels on the nogs and any other timber crossings, ect. If you have no experience in this sort of thing better you leave it to him, if he has to start reworking any of it because it isnt how he and the regs want it, you could easily end up with a bigger cost. Thanks to Nanny clark, and leaky buildings everybody plays CYA First today. simply put. No registered sparky as a personal friend who will help you = leave it to the Pros.	angry (15305)
1118134	2010-07-13 12:11:00	what hysteria??????? guy got the message. and this is a fact, all insurance fraudsters, and other insurance rule brakers are tracked by the companies now. Simple fact. Computers make it easy for them to keep and access you history. breake the rules once and they will use it against you, untill you die.:D You wrote "You still need alimited electrical cert or no one will sign it off unless you get a sparky to lie for you." as if everything being considered was illegal. The regulations allow for "Persons that own and occupy their own installation may doing the following work on low voltage electrical installations (when there is no payment or reward):" various things including " * install, extend, and alter subcircuits (including submains), provided that: o the person must not enter (whether personally, by holding any material or equipment, or otherwise) any enclosure where live active conductors are likely to be present; and o the work is tested by a licensed worker, in accordance with NZS 3000, and the work is certified by that licensed worker in accordance with regulation 66, before being connected to a supply of electricity by such an inspector. You must get the finished job checked and tested by a licensed electrical inspector. You cannot connect your work to the electricity supply yourself. The inspector will connect it, test it, and issue you with a Certificate of Compliance if it complies with safety requirements." www.energysafety.govt.nz This isn't getting a sparky to do anything after the job is connected.	PaulD (232)
1118135	2010-07-14 02:01:00	This isn't getting a sparky to do anything after the job is connected. General comment, not addressed at nofam. No, indeed it isn't, but if the work is not done correctly the electrician won't connect it, so he can't test it either, and if he can't see it (lining up) he'll not even kiss it goodbye. The installation has to be physically compliant as well as electrically compliant, and the elephant in the room is an insurance company that will decline any claim if the i's are not dotted and the t's crossed. Home electrical work is an area fraught with traps for the unwary, as many immigrants have found when they do it like they did at home, or even contract a fellow national to do the work, who may have been an electrician in their home country but sure isn't up to standard for NZ in any way at all. They are prosecuted and fined at regular intervals. I have an appropriate background and training, so some years back I wired my own extension and renovations under the 'supervision' of an electrician, but he still went through it all with a fine-tooth comb before he would sign it off and some minor changes were needed. You can definitely save money by supplying your own labour, and you can do it legally, but you have to get it right from the get go. Cheers Billy 8-{)	Billy T (70)
1118136	2010-07-14 07:55:00	goffer = an alert and energetic person I don't see why it should be a problem if choosing the right sparky. No, goffer = a person getting in the way, constantly asking questions and doing things wrong which have to be re-done by a qualified person. Trust me, it doesn't work.	pine-o-cleen (2955)
1118137	2010-07-14 08:40:00	No, goffer = a person getting in the way, constantly asking questions and doing things wrong which have to be re-done by a qualified person. Trust me, it doesn't work. Sorry but I don't trust you because I have seen goffers that have been far more useful than the apprentice and sometimes because it is their own time they have done a neater job than the tradesman.	mikebartnz (21)
1118138	2010-07-15 08:07:00	We're renovating our house at the moment, and stage one is moving the bathroom into an existing bedroom, so there's quote a bit of wiring to be done for downlights, extractor fan, underfloor heating etc. We've stripped the room right back to the framing, so my plan (to cut costs!) is to run all the wiring myself, and have the sparky just come in and fit off the lights/switches etc, and hook it into the board. I'm quite happy to admit I know absolutely nothing about electricity, so what's the basis concept for wiring? Presumably I can place a certain load (a number of lights for example) on a single circuit? Do I wire from the fitting point (say the downlight location), back to the switch (which closes the circuit when turned on), and then back up into the ceiling space and back to the board? Any/all help appreciated!! :D You are allowed to do the wiring yourself, you are required to obtain NZECP 51:2004 that will explain in simple english what you do and how you do it. You are NOT permitted to enter any receptical that is live, under any circumstances. The work must then be inspected to a code. and livened by said inspector. An electrcian is not permitted to liven or inspect this work. UNLESS he signs a COC saying he has completely done all the work and will carry the can for any cock ups you made, including burning down your house or killing one of the inhabitants. Good luck try to find one that will, and if you do he/she is a muppet. I got asked all the time when i was a sparky always the same answer - pass. Now having a home owner help me sometimes was okay. esp.. if there was some really crappy work under the house or up in the batts	Kelem (10339)
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