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Thread ID: 147666	2019-02-28 18:09:00	To arm our Police. Or not.	WalOne (4202)	PC World Chat

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1458617	2019-03-06 08:18:00	but I'd bet many of the guns crims get originally came from licensed owners . Such as when a gun collector had a his stash of guns stolen from his car boot .... so you leave all your guns in the boot of the car , yeah OK. In NZ , there is no good reason for legit owners to have a huge stash of guns. Even gun collectors , find another hobby .From memory when a firearms holder sold an A cat rifle/shotgun records were never needed to be collected. All you had to do was sight a firearms license. I Not sure what was needed for a rifle that needed an endorsement. Which meant it was very easy to on sell an A cat weapon to someone that didn’t have a license for the right $$$	plod (107)
1458618	2019-03-06 18:47:00	Oh yeah ---- make fun of the Montanan 'cause I don't speak funny! :p	WalOne (4202)
1458619	2019-03-10 01:09:00	To arm or not? From the Police alerts: Saturday night ... Counties Manukau Police have launched a homicide investigation after the fatal shooting of a man in Mangere overnight. Police and Ambulance were called to the location on Vine Street just before 1.00am. While the exact cause of death has yet to be confirmed, it appears the victim suffered a gunshot wound Sunday morning ... Three men have been arrested following an aggravated robbery in Kingsland last night. Police were called to Great North Road about 4am following a report of two men having entered a commercial premises armed with firearms. The pair threatened staff and made off with an amount of money, fleeing the scene in a Silver Mitsubishi Airtrek, which was later recovered a short distance from the premises. A black BMW was located heading south a short time after the robbery and was pulled over by Police. An occupant then discharged a firearm in the direction of Police. Does the question really need answering? :mad:	WalOne (4202)
1458620	2019-03-10 03:28:00	The biggest mistake was trying to escape in a Mitsubishi Outlander.	SurferJoe46 (51)
1458621	2019-03-10 04:02:00	The biggest mistake was trying to escape in a Mitsubishi Outlander. As they say dont drive anything with a M in Mitsi Mazda Misuzu.	prefect (6291)
1458622	2019-03-10 20:03:00	Does the question really need answering? :mad: can you image the current government being willing to fork out the huge cost of purchasing expensive guns for every single cop, then paying for ongoing training. I thought they were allowed to have guns locked in the patrol cars anyway ?	1101 (13337)
1458623	2019-03-12 03:06:00	can you image the current government being willing to fork out the huge cost of purchasing expensive guns for every single cop, then paying for ongoing training . I thought they were allowed to have guns locked in the patrol cars anyway ? What do ya think the cops would like - chrome plated and 24k gold inlaid matching Ivory handled George S . Patton Autographed Colts? Gads - at police discounts, a Glock 9mm is right around $375 . 00USD . But here's the scene you seem to think works: "Pardon me (murderer, rapist, bank robber, Isis-member) but let me go to the trunk (NZ & UK= boot) of my car and get my firearm, and then let me go to the next officer's vehicle and see if he brought any ammunition . OK? Then I can meet your lethal force more appropriately with mine, maybe . " Never bring a knife to a gun fight - or in this case: Never bring a loaded police car with THE ONLY firearm locked in the trunk to the scene of mayhem . Long gone are the days of the nice Bobby, twirling his nightstick, standing on the corner watching for miscreant teenaged boys who are teasing the girls on the way to school . Obviously, someone has a very slight view of the worth of your nation's citizens to hinder your cops this way . When YOU want a cop - you want him/her NOW - not fumbling around trying to unlock the trunks of their vehicles to find a gun . I too wish those halcyon days would return, but with justices adjudicating for bad, the things that were good, and adjudging the good things as bad(*), your chances are rapidly going from blissful to death-defying . The world's turned rotten and if you keep your head in a nether region . . . . . . . . . you may rue the dark night when calling your local "Cops-R-Us" station . . . . . . . . . . . and all you get is being put on terminal hold -- until someone in the police station . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . who wishes to commit suicide-by-perp . . . . . . . . . . . . when he knows the bad guy has a gun . . . . . . . . . . . . . and he can't find the keys to his trunk lock . . . . . . . . . . . . wishes to volunteer to be dropped off in a zippered body bag . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . at the front door of his family's home . . . . . . . . with a 9mm between his eyes . (*)Ecclesiastes 3:16 In the place of justice there was wickedness, and in the place of righteousness there was wickedness .	SurferJoe46 (51)
1458624	2019-03-12 07:39:00	I think we have a pretty good compromise currently. As clearly shown by recent incidents, police have ready access to firearms as required, without having them always on their person (reducing the opportunity for ‘knee-jerk’ responses killing kids with toys or shooting fleeing offenders in the back etc. or for it to be taken and used against them). While there is always the potential for “surprise - i got a gun” moments, having one on your hip is still no defence in that situation - it’s an offensive weapon, not a shield, (which only provides the ability to attack back, not “defend”). From what i’ve seen, the current risk assesment procedures and offender intelligence info available, allow for a fairly reasonable scope for staff to arm themselves as required or as they deem necessary for given situations.	fred_fish (15241)
1458625	2019-03-12 16:19:00	I think we have a pretty good compromise currently. As clearly shown by recent incidents, police have ready access to firearms as required, without having them always on their person (reducing the opportunity for ‘knee-jerk’ responses killing kids with toys or shooting fleeing offenders in the back etc. or for it to be taken and used against them). While there is always the potential for “surprise - i got a gun” moments, having one on your hip is still no defence in that situation - it’s an offensive weapon, not a shield, (which only provides the ability to attack back, not “defend”). From what i’ve seen, the current risk assesment procedures and offender intelligence info available, allow for a fairly reasonable scope for staff to arm themselves as required or as they deem necessary for given situations. I agree with this post Fred. In addition I am quite relaxed to let the police act in acordance to the perceived situation without trying to second guess them from the safe and secure position of my armchair in the event that they need to use a firearm to resolve things.	CliveM (6007)
1458626	2019-03-13 00:13:00	I dunnow . . . a cop without the ability to return lethal force for lethal force just seems like a suicide mission . Given that NZ is smaller, my theory is that the 2% rules exist in every society . Even in some US states where gun control is a "no knock" visit without a warrant on a person who may or may not actually have a legal firearm, by cops who want to go home at least one more time . . . . . pushes reality over the cliff . Being a cop is a very dangerous and noble job . I'm sure some of the nobility wears thin after a time since they deal with the crud of society who most times have little to lose, don't care if they kill a lot or a few cops and generally don't have many redeeming social skills either . Sadly, all societies . . . . . present or past . . . . . are at least bothered by this problem . With such obvious population differences betwixt the US and Upsidedown Land, you STILL have the 2% factor working against you . . . . and that percentage is assuming that NZ complies with that model . You might be a criminal society, founded by criminals . . . . . in which case the 2%ers are the good guys . Sometimes here it feels that way . Having a virtuous citizenry is an obsolete ideal . . . . that may have existed pre-drugs, which is the heavy hitter in ALL societies . . . nd ittrump's almost all the good intentioned and kindly-nice types . Sending cops out to keep the peace should put them on the power side of anything they might encounter . To shackle them otherwise (without firearms) requires finding sufficient numbers of dumb enough volunteers to go over the wall into withering fire like the Doughboys in WW-1 . Here's a vid from a relatively new US Cop series: "LIVE PD" . . . . . the first cut is from a city in Connecticut, where handgun possession is full of just too, too many hoops and barriers for ownership . . . . yet the bad guys all seem to have them . . be/AX8fGk4nb9s" target="_blank">youtu . be Thankfully, this episode ends with a young man not getting shot, but arrested for a "facsimile of a weapon" . . . . which by itself . . . is a very serious charge . FWIW - All handguns start out as legal, somewhere . That they wind up in the hands of bad guys is a natural dissolution since the drug cartels buy them legally from either the manufacturer or surplus after-police or post-military use sales . If tightening up the older unenforced laws that already exist hasn't been done . . . as to who can and cannot purchase a firearm, broken down by certain categories . . . and since these laws are not enforced, what makes one think a new, more odious law would do any better? In MOST of the US . . . . dishonorably discharged ex-military, convicted felons, mentally incompetent, schizophrenic drug abusers, pyromaniacs, rapists, mother rapers and father rapers, anybody sitting at the Group "W" bench --- are not qualified to buy a firearm . But, think for yourself . . . . how many in that short list actually obtain a gun and shoot someone? Answer is: many . Now some US states are trying to circumvent Constitutional laws and say that all guns in anyone's possession is/are illegal . MY complaint is that I am not a felon nor a bad person and I need bear protection . I'm not going to go on about why . . . . I've already stated that multiple times . If a law is passed disallowing my ownership of a firearm, I'd have to comply . Bad guys won't . They never have complied . Never will . . . . . . and the police are . . . . . at best . . . . . . 15 minutes away . There seems to be renewed rallying calls . . . . albeit somewhat hushed yet . . . . . emerging from groups that will not comply with any new rounding downward of their legal rights . This may prove to be interestingly played out here soon if the socialist-liberals beat their rallying drums any louder . Time for a reality check here . . . . . . . IF someone wants to kill or destroy and a firearm isn't available . . . . there's always homemade bombs, big trucks, using an RF generator to scramble the ECM in a fly-by-wire airliner with lots of passengers, mess with GPS transponders, hack the power grid, hack the stock exchange . . . . . anything that can cause harm, death and destruction . . . . . it will be done . Guns are only a tool . It's the fool behind the tool to worry about! /soapbox	SurferJoe46 (51)
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