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| Thread ID: 147666 | 2019-02-28 18:09:00 | To arm our Police. Or not. | WalOne (4202) | PC World Chat |
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| 1458597 | 2019-03-02 05:14:00 | while we don't have the sheer size of usa, we simply do not have the police force . you have far more police per population than us . even in a well populated aera where i am, have 4 police stations within 15 minute drive, none of them a manned full time and they often have to call in cops from outside the aera . also people often have the exception that police are there to "protect" you, but in reality they are nothing more than a clean up crew . yet the policy is that your expected to play victim, let crim do whatever he wants and they will find him later on . a tv and booze is not worth dying over . however as meth is drug of choice, that advice really doesn't work anymore . it really doesn't help that those who protect themselves often get punished by being dragged through court . compare that to the usa where cocaine i think is still drug of choice and personal protection is expected rather than punished . Not so quick there, tweak! IF a citizen shoots a perp in the act - it may or may not go the way you say it might . SOME states or municipalities dictate certain 'ethics' that will make a legally-entitled civilian protector to have done what he did in protecting his kith n kin - and he may spend the rest of his life in prison for manslaughter in the First Degree (because he had a gun makes it in the First Degree) . Here's a real capper for ya: IF you modify your Glock (f 'rinstance) with a better trigger or a better set of sights or have it chrome plated - it MAY be construed that you did so to modify it to be a man killer . Yuppers! Certain courts like The 9th Circuit Court Of Appeals in the US which is anti-2a (Second Amendment) and constantly goes against the US Constitution - can roast your nethers for life if they think you created a tool just for the purpose of murdering a poor little drug-crazed individual . But --- that aside --- I like that here in Montana --- that there are so few residents that the cops areen't worried about finding out who did the done-deed . They seem to always capture the bad guy every time . I have a hard time understanding that - but I've seen the Sheriff say that they know who the perp is (how?) and it's only a matter of time (very shortly, actually) until he's captured . AND captured he will be! If I were the Sheriff -- I'd be running Code Three (red lights, sirens, guns a-blazing and high speed) until I caught up with the bad guy . They seem to take a more laid-back view of things here . Of course, I used to live in SoCal where everything moves at the speed of sound and if they don't get the guy in 15 minutes, he's already in Mexico . With your new car . With your wife . Just amazing . FWIW ---> all the city cops where I live I can count on two hands and a scant bunch o' toes . This for a city that is a lot bigger than cities like Garden Grove California where there is a cop on every corner and three mid-block to fill in the gaps . I do an occasional 'Ride-Along" with the city cops and have yet to ride with the Montana Highway Patrol or the Ravalli County Sheriffs . I'm hoping for that - for the latter though . I think the MHP is a little too busy for me . We'll see this Summer . These cops are busy with death notices (two cops have to go for each death) and animal-in-distress calls and the very infrequent fender-benders . I haven't heard any shoot outs or firing on vehicular pursuits . Strangely though - I'd have thought with the dirge of sunshine vitamin D - that the depression of no-sun for a few weeks here would turn up the murder rate; at least a few more wife-beatings . But --- alas! We get an occasional one (murders) - but they don't happen like clockwork . Knives and sharp things are a woman's tool - and the Indians too . Guns and bombs and vehicular roll-overs are a male bastion . Poisons are anybody's guess . At any rate ---> I have no fear of getting in a gunfight any time soon --- if at all . Ever-Never . |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 1458598 | 2019-03-02 05:57:00 | A lot of criminals already have guns and use them. The police certainly do need to have suitiable weapons available to protect either the public or themselves. In a perfect world guns would not be required however we do not have a perfect world. Unfortunately a group hug does not work however much you may wish that it would. Just as there is the old saying that "there are no atheists in foxholes" there is nobody that has been shot at that does not believe it is not a good idea to be able the shoot back. I have been shot at many times, and it certainly is a GOOD idea to be able to shoot back. I am in favour of the Police being armed so long as they are well trained, and capable of shooting to incapacitate, not to kill. They should also have something better than a Glock, they are terrible. |
mzee (3324) | ||
| 1458599 | 2019-03-02 14:56:00 | Shoot for mass . Shooting a leg or hand or nose will only get the cop to room temperature faster . Besides, if one is accurate enough to actually hit the arm/leg/foot they aim at, the lawsuits would fly then! If you want a trick shooter, hire Paladin or Wild Bill Hickock . Nobody's as good as they . "The copper coulda just shot the gun outta my poor, deceased drug-crazed, husband's hand and not killed 'em" will be the headlines . . . . and the court's decision . Why do you think so many armies and police authorities prefer Glocks? Because there's the no nonesense, hot-outta-the-holster, no-questions-need-be-asked, no 'safeties' that get cops killed wondering is it ON or OFF . . . . . . . . and which is which? Quarters-of-seconds decide who is dead and who is alive . Always believe that a perp has a weapon for one reason: to use it . . . . . . and he's not shackled by unicorn-idealed, fuzzy thinkers and pink fairies legislaters on LSD . . . . conscripted to only shoot you in the thumb or foot . . . . . or you get to be the one going home: cold . |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 1458600 | 2019-03-02 19:21:00 | Going through the firearms licensing at the moment it certainly isn't easy to obtain it. Crims don't bother as they get them on the black market.I had the opposite thought when I got mine. Thought is was quite easy. Mine expired4 years ago no. Sold my last rifle 6 years ago. And it’s probably been 8 years since I have fired one. It was to much hassle and responsibility having them around if they weren’t being used. | plod (107) | ||
| 1458601 | 2019-03-02 19:35:00 | you cannot compare NZ with USA.we do not have the same gun culture as USA does."crims will think they need guns" is BS. the problem is they already have them.the thing thats happening now is them using them. not just against police but in protecting their drug business from anyone.the core of the issue is not guns but rather failure of police to contain the meth trade due to them being horribly under resourced.the use of guns is simply due to the wide spread meth trade and the massive profits it brings in. with the high profits come the money to buy black market firearms or trade drugs for stolen firearms.arming of police is not a good idea. couple of bad side effects is suicide by police and targeting of police for weapons.however due to the ever increasing of violence of the meth war, they really should arm the police to some degree.but its unlikely anything will happen. even if govt spent money on firearms, they sure as hell will not spend the time and money on the training required.let alone have things like gun/body cameras to go with it.So you can blame illegal gun use solely on the trade of meth. That’s a far reach. Before meth, it was weed or pills or insert current drug of choice. I’m a firm believer that the majority of harm caused by drugs is not from the drug itself but from the legal status of the drug. If NZ stopped treating drug use as a criminal problem and instead of a health problem most of these issues would disappear. And let’s face it the war on weed has worked a treat over the last 50 years. | plod (107) | ||
| 1458602 | 2019-03-02 22:02:00 | I had the opposite thought when I got mine. Thought is was quite easy. Mine expired4 years ago no. Sold my last rifle 6 years ago. And it’s probably been 8 years since I have fired one. It was to much hassle and responsibility having them around if they weren’t being used. It is a bit harder for me as SWMBO has had depression issues in the past so a couple of extra hoops to jump through. We live very rural (nearest neighbours 400m) away. |
gary67 (56) | ||
| 1458603 | 2019-03-02 22:28:00 | So you can blame illegal gun use solely on the trade of meth. That’s a far reach. Before meth, it was weed or pills or insert current drug of choice. I’m a firm believer that the majority of harm caused by drugs is not from the drug itself but from the legal status of the drug. If NZ stopped treating drug use as a criminal problem and instead of a health problem most of these issues would disappear. And let’s face it the war on weed has worked a treat over the last 50 years. with weed the punishment is probably harder than the crime, but meth its a completely different ball game. years ago fighting over weed was rare and wasn't worth getting into gun fights over it. also stoners usually don't put up much of a fight. now meth is no1 seller with huge profits. a lot more at stake and worth protecting violently. but the big difference is addicts turn paranoid and are often violent. also many are in the trade to make money selling to fund their own habit. so you have a paranoid, violent person with huge motivation to protect their business. they have absolutely no fear of talking on police or anyone else in a gun fight. by mem i think its been reported that there is almost more meth related car accidents than alcohol. thats pretty bad considering drink driving is a kiwi pastime. |
tweak'e (69) | ||
| 1458604 | 2019-03-03 03:20:00 | Here they're using (not in any particular order) Par~fete, Jonsey (Cocaine), Black Tar Heroin or Dragon Chaser (a morphine diacetate, usually injected) Opium or Poppy Tears or Shanghai Sally or Laudanum (early powerful analgesic) Methadone, Crystal, others (the "CURE" for Heroin, which was the "CURE" for Morphine, which was the "CURE" for Opium!) Bath salts or Monkey Dust (containing MDPV or mephedrone, usually taken with alcohol, called: 'MCAT' in UK) Grass, Weed, Mary-J, Jane, Kitty Kat (ketamine), Oxycodone (a full-blown opiod, for extreme pain control) DMT, (a psychoactive alkaloid, faster and longer-lasting than LSD) Beach Sand, Raw Sugar Soma, Lorazepam, Buppies (Buprenorphine), Zolys (Ambien), Meth (Methamphetamine), Tramadol (which I have prescribed but rarely use), LSD or Acid or Window Pane or Blue Ozlies or Rainbows, Ecstasy (MDMA), Allies (Xanax), Addys (Amphetamine), V2 (Hydrocodone bitartrate), There's a lot of other designer drugs that stay just under the illegality clause since they are changed molecule-by-molecule to keep differentiating from the declared-illegal variety . I have mixed emotions for people who abuse these drugs for recreational purposes . Maybe they should get free and as much as they want of the drug of their choice . That'd be a Darwin Moment . Thin the herd . |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 1458605 | 2019-03-03 19:16:00 | I should have known this thread might have been hijacked ... which it was. Back to the thread and a more focused view on local issues, more important to local citizenry and sans lengthy diatribe: Police have lifted the order for front-line officers in Canterbury to be armed, after the arrest of a 20-year-old man. A police cordon in Richmond, Christchurch, where a man was shot on Tuesday evening.Christchurch police at the scene of a shooting last month. The arrested man has been charged with using an imitation firearm against police. Christchurch officers were allowed to carry firearms after officers were shot at three times in a recent week. Canterbury commander John Price said that was in response to a specific situation. Police had been appealing for information on the whereabouts of a 20-year-old man in relation to a firearms incident on Anzac Drive in Christchurch last weekend. The man was found in Papanui at 2.15pm and was taken into custody without incident. He is due to appear in Christchurch District Court tomorrow. Police Association president Chris Cahill said there was clearly a risk to officers or they would not have been ordered to carry weapons. "Clearly, there were real shots fired at those officers last Saturday and by one of the offenders again on Tuesday," Mr Cahill said. "We just need to wait until all the facts come out in the court case and we will be understanding why police put the risk assessment in place that they did." |
WalOne (4202) | ||
| 1458606 | 2019-03-04 00:24:00 | I should have known this thread might have been hijacked . . . which it was . Back to the thread and a more focused view on local issues, more important to local citizenry and sans lengthy diatribe: Your powers of prophesy are huge! Post #2 drew first blood (neener!-neener!) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . and therefor the Hijack Gauntlet had been tossed ------ but I'm here, certainly I'm LOCAL to me . . . . so what's you're gripe? |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
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