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Thread ID: 111236	2010-07-19 06:19:00	Islam is peace personified.	Cicero (40)	PC World Chat

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1120167	2010-07-26 07:52:00	That is why they must be eliminated. And that would make "us" just as bad as them.	Metla (12)
1120168	2010-07-26 09:23:00	And that would make "us" just as bad as them. +1. Don't be a xenophobe.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
1120169	2010-07-26 10:11:00	And that would make "us" just as bad as them. Metla, we have been here before. Sometimes it is nessecary to commit evil in the intrests of the grater good. You will not kill a rattle snake by shooting it in the tail. The mentality of these people (talibanies) is stone age. Therefore you must rationalise and deal with them at the same level. They are not going to go away. If they obtain neculear wepons by taking over pakistan or in some other fashion they WILL use them on all non muslims. Are you going to stand there and say oh can do that it's bad, as they kill you children and the rest of the non muslim population, or are you going to do what has to be done. The planet has not seen a confruntation like this since Genghis Khan moved west. It is a very unplesant problem, not of our making, applying modern western morals and standards to this problem will get you and yours DEAD. Sorry that's the way they (The Taliban) have made it.	angry (15305)
1120170	2010-07-26 10:18:00	Talibans? Sorry, thought you were talking about most if not all Muslims. If it's the Talibans and other similar religious extremists, then I concur; destroy them.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
1120171	2010-07-26 10:19:00	I don't agree, "they" do not dictate how we "must" behave. Personally I'm not entirely against a nuke or 3, But not based on your logic.	Metla (12)
1120172	2010-07-26 10:29:00	I wonder how many of their ( Muslims ) own they would kill if the Talibans bombed Auckland with a Nuke? They are not all the same are they.	Snorkbox (15764)
1120173	2010-07-26 10:38:00	I don't agree, "they" do not dictate how we "must" behave. Personally I'm not entirely against a nuke or 3, But not based on your logic. " I don't agree, "they" do not dictate how we "must" behave." Metla, The aggressor always dictates the minimum level of violence and behaviour standard in any conflict. If you are attacked, drawn into a conflict not of your making, and you apply a softer set of rules of engagment than your adversary. You will lose. You have a choice stamp out the fruitloops, or be stamped out by them. ++ The agressor dictates the type of conflict. EG Germany in 2 world wars, (in particular the eastern front in wwII ) The caphilate when it tourtured, robbed, and murdered Genghis Kahns ambassidors.	angry (15305)
1120174	2010-07-26 10:45:00	I wonder how many of their ( Muslims ) own they would kill if the Talibans bombed Auckland with a Nuke? They are not all the same are they. " They are not all the same are they. " luckly for us no, there are grater division's in islam than the christian churches. The sectarian divisions in islam are frequently very violent, the origonal islamic prophet was killed on the field in secterian warfare.	angry (15305)
1120175	2010-07-26 11:00:00	"I don't agree, "they" do not dictate how we "must" behave." Metla, The aggressor always dictates the minimum level of violence and behaviour standard in any conflict. If you are attacked, drawn into a conflict not of your making, and you apply a softer set of rules of engagment than your adversary. You will lose. You have a choice stamp out the fruitloops, or be stamped out by them. ++ The agressor dictates the type of conflict. EG Germany in 2 world wars, (in particular the eastern front in wwII ) The caphilate when it tourtured, robbed, and murdered Genghis Kahns ambassidors. How many times have you been attacked my Muslims? How do you rate your chances of that ever happening? They are dictating nothing, yet you seek to give them that control? Not for me. "The aggressor dictates the type of conflict" And your taking that position, Are you driven by fear? Once again its control relinquished.	Metla (12)
1120176	2010-07-26 12:10:00	How many times have you been attacked my Muslims? How do you rate your chances of that ever happening? They are dictating nothing, yet you seek to give them that control? Not for me. "The aggressor dictates the type of conflict" And your taking that position, Are you driven by fear? Once again its control relinquished. How many times have you been attacked my Muslims? 1948, 1973, the last hamass assault on israel from lebanon 2009. the real one for this debate 2 embassies in africa (can be bother finding dates) uss cole in aden, 9 11 2001, and more if I look. Down here in the bumhole of the world there is little to fear, at the moment. fear is not the motivation for my position just reality, harsh realitys that too many western softies are not willing to consider. Control is only relinquished when you refuse to match, or over counter, the agressors terms of engagment and level of violence. EG, The western allies in wwII shot without trial or even arrest orders, large numbers of know medium level Nazi's from june 44 to early 47. They just didnt talk about it or write the orders down. In reply to the Nazi's order, instructing all members of the communist party to be shot on capture before the launch of barbarossa in 41. The russians shot most nazi party and ss members immediatly on capture. They didnt need to have an order, they simply performed at the level of conflict dictated by the agressor, and then some. The germans terror bommed coventry, how many german cities were burnt down by harris and lemay, Hamburg cologne, dusseldorf, bremenhaven, and and and. Reply at the level of conflict set by the agressor. The west has become VERY soft since 45, Those who see this conflict as what it is and see what must be done are frequently derided. This is military phsycology not basic social phsycology, Matching or superceeding the agressors terms, is not surrendering control, if anything it is taking it. Every escalation by the agressoris is met by a grater one from the defender. That is why the US and NATO are still hunting bin scumden in afghanistan, with a little help from NZ.	angry (15305)
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