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Thread ID: 111236	2010-07-19 06:19:00	Islam is peace personified.	Cicero (40)	PC World Chat

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1120137	2010-07-20 08:57:00	The Crusades were a series of religiously sanctioned military campaigns waged by much of Latin Christian Europe, particularly the Franks of France and the Holy Roman Empire . The specific crusades to restore Christian control of the Holy Land were fought over a period of nearly 200 years, between 1095 and 1291 . The Crusades were fought mainly by Roman Catholic forces against Muslims who had occupied the near east since the time of the Rashidun Caliphate . The Crusades originally had the goal of recapturing Jerusalem and the Holy Land from Muslim rule . Ill give you the rest as basically correct . == "The Crusades originally had the goal of recapturing Jerusalem and the Holy Land from Muslim rule" Wrong . The first crusade was in 2 parts, the original "Paupers Pilgrim" crusade was started on the request/instruction of the pope in reply to "Muslim's aggressively" barring Christian pilgrims access to Jerusalem and the Holy Land . The ruler of the eastern Roman Empire in Constantinople (Name forgotten) allowed the largely unarmed pilgrim crusade to cross the golden horn (into present day Turkey), knowing full well that the Muslims with whom he was in conflict, would slaughter them to the last woman and child . Which they duly did . The reply to this slaughter was the intervention of the knights and nobles from all parts of Europe, with and extremely large complement of landless French knights . The landless French nights saw an opportunity and changed the objective to the ejection of the Muslims from Jerusalem and the Holy Land . Had the aggressive Muslims not committed that act of foolishness (the barring of pilgrims and worshipers) the Levant and the world would be a very different place today .	angry (15305)
1120138	2010-07-20 09:00:00	Convert or kill the infidels.:D All religions are the same thing, a symptom of the madness of mankind. The cure is to evolve past that delusion. "Organized religon is poison to the people" Chairman Mao, (a communist of convienence). :)	angry (15305)
1120139	2010-07-20 09:01:00	Damned if I know, Lets have a war to find out, The winner gets to force their beliefs on the peoples. Huzzah!!!! From all the wars that have been fought,have we found out what the true belief is?	Cicero (40)
1120140	2010-07-20 09:40:00	Had the aggressive Muslims not committed that act of foolishness (the barring of pilgrims and worshipers) the Levant and the world would be a very different place today. Surely you jest. If the Christians were ready for war then they would simply have moved onto the next excuse. If they weren't after a war/land grab then it wouldn't have happened, and I'm sure its dead simple for the Christians to write their account to make it perfectly justified. "They wouldn't let us in, so we slaughtered them" That should do.	Metla (12)
1120141	2010-07-20 09:41:00	From all the wars that have been fought,have we found out what the true belief is? They have all just been warm-ups.:illogical	Metla (12)
1120142	2010-07-20 11:16:00	From all the wars that have been fought,have we found out what the true belief is? So this wasn't you then? www.stuff.co.nz	John H (8)
1120143	2010-07-20 11:44:00	Surely you jest. If the Christians were ready for war then they would simply have moved onto the next excuse. If they weren't after a war/land grab then it wouldn't have happened, and I'm sure its dead simple for the Christians to write their account to make it perfectly justified. "They wouldn't let us in, so we slaughtered them" That should do. Metla, They wernt ready for war which is why the first part of he first crusade were mostly unarmed pauper pilgrims, only after their slaughter did the "Rich" Knights become interested, the whole mess snowballed from there. The time frame between the slaughter and the departure of the first knights was around 2 years. they spent another few months negotiating with they ruler of constanopel after they arrived there, before they were allowed to cross the horn. If they had of been prepared for war they would have been only a few months behind the paupers. Large groups of the rich simply wernt interested, after the slaughter the pope made it impossible for them tcontinue their ignorance of the issue. Then the landless souther french knights who had missed out on the conquest of England jumped, and there is still trouble in the levant today.	angry (15305)
1120144	2010-07-20 11:49:00	Hmmm.....Sounds almost plausible. I shall delve into Wiki and then slay you with my brilliance. :banana	Metla (12)
1120145	2010-07-20 12:02:00	Hmmm . . . . . Sounds almost plausible . I shall delve into Wiki and then slay you with my brilliance . :banana Metla, Please do, I have read a great deal on this area, and more than a little on this subject which is why I dare to debate it with you . I fear you must travel further than wiki to get a true picture of a very complex period in history . its a bit like digging up the true reasons for the french chumminess with the british after 1870 . :)	angry (15305)
1120146	2010-07-20 12:19:00	I am pretty sure when the isrelis withdraw from occupied Palestine back to 1967 borders the Muslims will all be hunky dory. Not quite sure what wiki reckons though, its not as if wiki is ever wrong.	prefect (6291)
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